U.S bribing pakistan???

MIGleader

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in 2004, the u.s lifted long held santions against pakistan for its nuke program.
supposedly it was a reward for the countrie's co-op in afghanistan, but is there a different reason? the U.s might use the sale of cargo planes, f-16's, and economic aid packages as a means of bribing the country to be friends with the U.s more than china. it's also doing the same with india. the it might try to use these in the countries in the future. i mean, why would you give weapons to a country that you know is going to share it with china? there must be a reason...

what do you think?
 

DPRKUnderground

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MIGleader said:
in 2004, the u.s lifted long held santions against pakistan for its nuke program.
supposedly it was a reward for the countrie's co-op in afghanistan, but is there a different reason? the U.s might use the sale of cargo planes, f-16's, and economic aid packages as a means of bribing the country to be friends with the U.s more than china. it's also doing the same with india. the it might try to use these in the countries in the future. i mean, why would you give weapons to a country that you know is going to share it with china? there must be a reason...

what do you think?

Partly it is, but mainly it's so Pakistan can trust the US and also to enhance the capability of Pakistan's military so they are better equipped to fight terrorism and insurgents in the NWFP. Pakistan will always be homies w/ China!
 

crazyinsane105

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MIGleader said:
in 2004, the u.s lifted long held santions against pakistan for its nuke program.
supposedly it was a reward for the countrie's co-op in afghanistan, but is there a different reason? the U.s might use the sale of cargo planes, f-16's, and economic aid packages as a means of bribing the country to be friends with the U.s more than china. it's also doing the same with india. the it might try to use these in the countries in the future. i mean, why would you give weapons to a country that you know is going to share it with china? there must be a reason...

what do you think?

I doubt that Pakistan will go against China. Pakistan knows the true face of the US (sanctions and other good things) and the only reason that the PAF is buying F-16's is for several reasons:

1. The gap between IAF and PAF has grown too far and a stop gap must be introduced within the next several years. So far the J-10 has not satisfied the PAF. It will eventually be bought, but that depends on when China makes a much more improved block.

2. The F-16's that Pakistan is getting can also benefit China in terms of radar, weapons, etc. China doesn't really have anything domestically comparable to the radar being used on the Block 52.

3. Even if the F-16's are put into sanctions, there are ways to get out of it. Since Pakistan is a Major Non-Nato Ally, Pakistan can stockpile as many spare parts of its F-16's inside its own warehouses. A country without MNNA status cannot do this. So with the MNNA status, Pakistan can stockpile on as many spare parts as needed. Also, Turkey and Egypt have ToT with their F-16's and they will be more than willing to sell spares to Pakistan (even Israel would be willing to: there have been numerous reports that Israel sold spares to Pakistan during the times of the sanctions).
 

PiSigma

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i don't think pakistan will turn on china. they are like best friends since the 1950s. we got joint programs together, like the JF-17. also china and pakistan needs each other against india. the relation between china and pakistan have always been very good, no back stabing, only good relations without any friction so far.
 

tphuang

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crazyinsane105 said:
I doubt that Pakistan will go against China. Pakistan knows the true face of the US (sanctions and other good things) and the only reason that the PAF is buying F-16's is for several reasons:

1. The gap between IAF and PAF has grown too far and a stop gap must be introduced within the next several years. So far the J-10 has not satisfied the PAF. It will eventually be bought, but that depends on when China makes a much more improved block.
lol, that's not the reason J-10 is not sold to PAF. China is just not selling it to anyone yet.
 

FreeAsia2000

Junior Member
It's because America is worried soon America won't have anything that Pakistan needs.

Trust me pretty soon America will soon be offering it's equipment to any nation under the sun as a way of having some influence.

Chinese mass-production is going to change the world...
 

IDonT

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PiSigma said:
i don't think pakistan will turn on china. they are like best friends since the 1950s. we got joint programs together, like the JF-17. also china and pakistan needs each other against india. the relation between china and pakistan have always been very good, no back stabing, only good relations without any friction so far.


Oh yeah...

Back in the 1971 war, the US asked China to move its troops along the Indian border in order to ease the pressure on Pakistan. China never did it.
The US did send the enterprise battle group on the bay of bengal.
 

IDonT

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crazyinsane105 said:
2. The F-16's that Pakistan is getting can also benefit China in terms of radar, weapons, etc. China doesn't really have anything domestically comparable to the radar being used on the Block 52.

The US always have stipulation that its technology will not be re-sold to a third party with out its consent. That was on of the reasons US sanctioned Pakistan in the 1990's (along with the nuke program).
 

FreeAsia2000

Junior Member
IDonT said:
Oh yeah...

Back in the 1971 war, the US asked China to move its troops along the Indian border in order to ease the pressure on Pakistan. China never did it.
The US did send the enterprise battle group on the bay of bengal.

Errm yeah.

Russia gave Military help to the Indians

and America did some exercises off the bay of bengal.

Remember 1973 ? America sent Nukes to Israel.

China in 1971 was in no position to help Pakistan militarily otherwise
it might have risked waging a war against India supported militarily by Russia with America having a good show...

But lets look at another instance....

Pakistan President General Musharraf made three trips to Beijing in less than a year (in December 2001, January 2002, and August 2002) for urgent security consultations with President Jiang Zemin and Premier Zhu Rongji and reportedly obtained “firm assurances of support in the event of a war†with India. At the time of heightened tensions in mid-January 2002, General Zhang Wannian, Vice-Chairman of China’s Central Military Commission, met with General Muhammad Aziz Khan, Chairman of Pakistan’s Joint Chiefs of the Staff Committee, and was quoted as telling Khan: “For many years the militaries of our two nations have maintained exchanges and cooperation at the highest and all levels and in every field. This fully embodies the all-weather friendship our nations maintain.â€9 Zhang’s reference to “cooperation . . . in every field†(meaning the nuclear and missile fields) was a thinly veiled warning to India to back off. Later, Beijing matched words with deeds by

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rushing two dozen F-7 jet fighters, nuclear and missile components, and other weapon systems to shore up Pakistani defenses in the tense border face-off. A secret “futuristic arms development cooperation†agreement was signed during General Musharraf’s five-day visit to China in December 2001 to construct, among other weapons, an all-solid-fuel Shaheen III missile with a range of 3,500-4,000 kilometers to target all major Indian cities.10 The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops from the Military Regions of Chengdu and Lanzhou and their respective sub-divisions, the Xizang (Tibet) and Wulumuqi (Urumqi), along China’s southern borders, were also put on alert in January to test their war preparedness should the conflict in the Indian subcontinent spill over onto Chinese soil.

The Chinese leaders had reportedly conveyed the following message to Musharraf: “China hopes Pakistan will not initiate any assault. Pakistan should not get involved in wars and instead focus on economic construction. However, if a war does break out between India and Pakistan, Beijing will firmly stand on the side of Islamabad.â€11 Soon thereafter, President Musharraf in a televised speech on 12 January 2002 announced a crackdown on extremist organizations waging jihad from Pakistani territory, and as a result, Indo-Pakistani tensions somewhat subsided. The Chinese media claimed some credit for “mediating†between the two sub-continental rivals despite the Indian government’s aversion to the dreaded “m†word: “Mediated by the United States, China, Britain, and Russia, leaders of India and Pakistan recently expressed their desire to try to control the tense situation.â€12 Interestingly, this stance contradicted then Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh’s statement during Premier Zhu’s visit to New Delhi in January 2002 that “China has neither any intention, nor shall it play any mediatory role between India and Pakistan.â€13 Not only that, the Chinese Foreign Minister also succeeded in persuading his Russian counterpart to issue a “Joint Declaration on the India-Pakistan Situation,†signaling to New Delhi that, for the first time, Beijing and Moscow had a unified stand on the dispute. In concrete policy terms, it meant that New Delhi could no longer count on the Russian veto in the UN Security Council in the event of a war.

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MIGleader

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IDonT said:
crazyinsane105 said:
2. The F-16's that Pakistan is getting can also benefit China in terms of radar, weapons, etc. China doesn't really have anything domestically comparable to the radar being used on the Block 52.

The US always have stipulation that its technology will not be re-sold to a third party with out its consent. That was on of the reasons US sanctioned Pakistan in the 1990's (along with the nuke program).

pakistan has already shared a ton of stuff like an f-16 with china, but i guess the u.s wasn't in the position to complain against both of them. i'm not saying th us wants pak to turn on china, but take some sides with us, especially when it concerns weapons deals.
 
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