U.S and japan wargames near china

utelore

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The U.S and Japan have and our conducting joint operations on Islands south of japan simulating an attack possibly against islands owned by china if there ever is a war. This has caused grumblings and concern by china. I believe within reason china does have a legitimate complaint about this issue.

lets pose a question. what if China and Venezuela/Cuba conducted invasion games on islands just a few dozen miles away from U.S soil in the caribbean? This would cause a outrage by the United States and may even prompt a military buildup reaction to counter this. So does china have a right to be upset about this? YOU BET THEY DO.

PS: and for those who don't know me I am a ardent American right wing nationalist who is very pro military action when needed. So I am by know way a supporter of china policy or a lefty.....cheers ute.
 

SampanViking

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Somehow I doubt the prospect of a joint Cuban/Chinese Exercise in the Caribbean, to simulate an Invasion of Granada (although it would be very interesting to see) but I suspect that this years SCO exercises may contain a bit of an answer to the above - certainly in respect of some disputed Japanese Islands.
 
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So does china have a right to be upset about this? YOU BET THEY DO.

One could say China's military exercises - which are obviously pointedly aimed at Taiwan - are provocative. But is there anything anyone can do about that? No. Is there anything China can do about these exercises? No.

No point in getting excited about military exercises given the current state of affairs (i.e. the various sides are at peace and not on a war-footing). Besides, it's not as if the drill was based on taking control of Chinese-held islands - it was about retaking the Senkakus if occupied by China. Those islands are under Japanese control after all, even if China claims them.
 
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SampanViking

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One could say China's military exercises - which are obviously pointedly aimed at Taiwan - are provocative

Hardly an apt comparison - I think it will rest a lot easier with everybody though, if we restict this thread to discussing the territories of Internationally recognised, Independant Soverign States, so obviously exercises close to Taiwan are disqualified.

Please take the above as moderation instruction

You do like to try it on, dont you Fu;)
 

Sea Dog

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Taiwan is a sovereign state by proxy. They are a self-governing people in every way. So I do think the comparison is appropriate. There is the "One China" principle, yet there is also "status quo". ;)
 

SampanViking

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The key words here are "Internationally Recognised" which Taiwan is not.

Irrespective please abide by moderation.

Thank you
 

Sea Dog

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A self-determining people don't care if they're "internationally recognized" or not if they're threatened by an invasion force with bombs, missiles, and guns. But nevertheless, you're right. Kinda off topic. Message received. ;)
 

Roger604

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The point Sampan is making is that if the southern states decides to cede from the USA and other countries try to intervene to support them against federal troops trying to keep them in the union, it would be viewed as a hostile act.
 
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Hardly an apt comparison - I think it will rest a lot easier with everybody though, if we restict this thread to discussing the territories of Internationally recognised, Independant Soverign States, so obviously exercises close to Taiwan are disqualified.

So you're saying that US/Allied military exercises directed towards the PRC, before it received a seat on the UN, would not have been provocative? Ok, whatever you say, Sampy.

Anyhoo, as I said, I can't see these exercises as being provocative, given the point of them was to defend Japanese-held territory - rather than take control of land under Chinese control.
 

bd popeye

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Anyhoo, as I said, I can't see these exercises as being provocative, given the point of them was to defend Japanese-held territory - rather than take control of land under Chinese control.

I agree. The US and Japan have held these type of excersises many times. In fact 32 years ago when I was stationed in Japan on CVA-41 we always had excersises with the JMSDF.

It's just a simple show of force but mainly to maintain force readiness.
 
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