Type 81 Preformance

darth sidious

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Kampfwagen said:
As far as I know, the use of 5.56MM ammo came from U.S Military philosophy. The bullet was made because the 5.56MM was made to be more accurate than soviet 7.62MM ammo and, aparently because of their own fustrations with 7.62MM NATO.

the sovyet M43 round is based on the German 7.92kruz forom WWII used on the first assualt rifle

5.56 can sure kill but they dont punch through wood/iron as good as the 7.62 round

early 5.56 also has questionabl ball powder that causes jaming
 

Red not Dead

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darth sidious said:
the sovyet M43 round is based on the German 7.92kruz forom WWII used on the first assualt rifle

5.56 can sure kill but they dont punch through wood/iron as good as the 7.62 round

early 5.56 also has questionabl ball powder that causes jaming

Hum first assault rifles used were in good order the Avtomat Fedorov and the lighter BabyBAR in the Russian civil war.

The AF used already an intermediate cartdrige the 6.5x48/50? mm Arisaka. And teh baby bar was a lighter shorter version of the BAR (5.3 kg empty). After that the AVS36 was another AR soviet design...then came the Kurz patrone (beggining 1942) on the MP42.
 

darth sidious

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Red not Dead said:
Hum first assault rifles used were in good order the Avtomat Fedorov and the lighter BabyBAR in the Russian civil war.

The AF used already an intermediate cartdrige the 6.5x48/50? mm Arisaka. And teh baby bar was a lighter shorter version of the BAR (5.3 kg empty). After that the AVS36 was another AR soviet design...then came the Kurz patrone (beggining 1942) on the MP42.

the 7.92 kurz can be used accuratly on full auto the arisaka cant

the arisaka is not like the small caliber today the round carrys almost as much powder as the 7.92 mauser

is also rimed and copper cased the end result is that it difficult to fire on full auto with out jaming jap machineguns of WWII has a small oiler right under the feed to oil the round so they dont jam

also the arisaka do not break up on inpact but shoots through the target in a stright path thas why they lack killing power
 

Kampfwagen

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bdmilitary said:
Will China be replacing its type 81 automatic rifles anytime soon?

The Type 95 is slowly replacing the Type 81. However, it will be many years before it completely phases out the 81, and it will still likely be in reserve units for an even longer ammount of time.
 

Red not Dead

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darth sidious said:
the 7.92 kurz can be used accuratly on full auto the arisaka cant

the arisaka is not like the small caliber today the round carrys almost as much powder as the 7.92 mauser

is also rimed and copper cased the end result is that it difficult to fire on full auto with out jaming jap machineguns of WWII has a small oiler right under the feed to oil the round so they dont jam

also the arisaka do not break up on inpact but shoots through the target in a stright path thas why they lack killing power


Yup but the fedorov actually was built in some numbers and used as an AR during the russian civil war. Than again you got the BabyBar used by the US mob because of it's lightened weight and it still had a full power ammo.
 

RedMercury

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sumdud said:
Type 03, basically a 95 refitted into classic layout. (Point? Why not type 87 in that case?)

I recall reading from a Chinese magazine that Type 03 has some new features, specifically for reducing felt recoil. Like the Type-95, the design process concentrated a lot on fine-tuning the internals to increase burst accuracy and reduce felt recoil. The designers paid great attention to balance and the internal shifting of mass during the action. I would speculate that the Type-03 was also designed with these themes in mind, but in the traditional layout.

Type-56 in its later variants are still in production. These later variants only make minor changes. One author who test fired the 56C claimed it had lighter recoil, but who knows. The one being produced for domestic use is the 56C, a carbine version for non-combat troops, PLAN sailors, etc. And then there's that big order of Type-56II for the IDF.

I think the regular PLA only uses Type-81. PAP, reservists, and militia may use Type-56II, which could be a source of confusion. The two do look a lot alike, but you can tell by the muzzle. The Type-81's front sight is about a hand-span back from the muzzle, but of course you already know this :)

More on the Type-81, according to
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, one key difference is the short-stroke gas piston versus the long-stroke of the AK-47/Type-56. I suppose open bolt would also be a huge differe :D. Also, it has a bolt hold-open device, which means it uses special mags. It is slightly longer barrel length than Type-56. That could be part of its claimed improved accuracy, but I suspect it is more because of felt recoil reduction from the different action. Again that long long Chinese article posted earlier would probably explain it. Once I get around to reading it I'll post something. :p:nana:
 
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