055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Jeff Head]

I am not a specialist in construction, so I guess I don't know much. However, if you want to have a realistic 1:1 model, why would you add so many rooms and offices that will not be part of the ship? Why not make the model as up to point as possible? I guess the same question could be applied to the Liaoning model nearby.

It is like the mock-up of the Liaoning, which has several stories of offices on it.

This is a mockup to be used for training purposes. Logistical exercises, deck exercises for determining the best way to go about things, etc.

As such, they would have space on the ship to mimic what the ship is like...but also have offices for others who are working on determining the best way to use those spaces.

Quite ingenious and utilitarian actually. It's like having the real ship on land next to a research facility...which is exactly what it is.

 

[Blitzo]

I am not a specialist in construction, so I guess I don't know much. However, if you want to have a realistic 1:1 model, why would you add so many rooms and offices that will not be part of the ship? Why not make the model as up to point as possible? I guess the same question could be applied to the Liaoning model nearby.

That's the thing, this isn't intended to be a wholly accurate model but rather a mock up to test certain sensors and the interference they bring.

 

[SpicySichuan]

It is like the mock-up of the Liaoning, which has several stories of offices on it.

Just like the Liaoning model, I thought all the offices are supposed to be under the deck (red part). So what's the point of constructing the white parts? Storage facilities? Maybe it is intended to be part of the ship, but the actual ship might be slight different? As above posts mentioned, the B section "bump" does look a bit out of place. Not only does it occupy space intended for VLS, but also POSSIBLY makes the ship less stealthy by increasing radar cross section.

 

[Blitzo]

Just like the Liaoning model, I thought all the offices are supposed to be under the deck (red part). So what's the point of constructing the white parts? Storage facilities? Maybe it is intended to be part of the ship, but the actual ship might be slight different? As above posts mentioned, the B section "bump" does look a bit out of place. Not only does it occupy space intended for VLS, but also POSSIBLY makes the ship less stealthy by increasing radar cross section.

If you look at the liaoning mock up carefully there are actually many windows in the "Island" indicating those are open rooms rather than fully realistic enclosed like the real thing.

I've speculated that the white parts of the 055 mock up are all indicative of structures that might assist structural integrity on the mock up and/or that they exist to allow more convenient placement of testing and telemetry equipment.

 

[Blitzo]

I've edited the recent picture to highlight in red the parts of the mock up which probably are not representative of the real ship, structurally speaking. Of course it all happens to be painted white as well, but this makes it much more difficult to misunderstand

 

[Tyloe]

I think the Sovremennyy and the Slava class helps give the sense of the difference in size between the Type 052D and the Type 055 in development.

In comparison Type 052D to the Sov and Type 055 to the Slava, have roughly the same dimensions and displacement and, despite being a generation apart, designed for very similar roles. Perhaps this is an example of convergent evolution?

 

[jkliz]

I think the Sovremennyy and the Slava class helps give the sense of the difference in size between the Type 052D and the Type 055 in development.

In comparison Type 052D to the Sov and Type 055 to the Slava, have roughly the same dimensions and displacement and, despite being a generation apart, designed for very similar roles. Perhaps this is an example of convergent evolution?

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So I know they're old but jesus...the state of those ships...are those actually combat vessels?

 

[Tyloe]

So I know they're old but jesus...the state of those ships...are those actually combat vessels?

Their navy is in real desperate need for modernisation especially the surface fleet. Since the 90s there were only overhauls for a handful of vessels and never a true refit for modern systems. Most of the funding for the navy is concentrated on their submarine fleet especially their strategic ballistic missile subs, and whatever is left for the surface fleet is on building modern corvettes. It's even worse since most of defence spending is prioritised on the Air Force and Ground Forces, and due to poor planning like the recent decision to re-activate another Kirov.

It's a really really bad situation there as most of their Soviet destroyers and cruisers are nearing the end of their service life. Russia is currently hastening to replace them with a new generation of surface combatants, like the Leader-class destroyer project, but no ship will be commissioned at least until 2025-2030. Although the "good news"is that they're starting to commission modern frigates, with the first vessel planned to commission this year, and a few are already launched and are fitting out from the Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Gorshkov line. So before 2020 they're expecting to operate at least a small fleet of modern vessels but Cold War era ships like the Slava, Sovs, Udaloy and Kirov warships will remain as the main backbone of the navy for another 20 or even 30 years.

Russia no way is capable on catching up with the enormous and rapid progress made by the PLAN, accessible to vast resources that it can commission destroyers and frigates almost every year. With so many setbacks it isn't surprising why they predict they can only rebuild their navy into a completely modernised force until 2050, a modernisation program that is going to take until the mid-century. So anyone whose expecting to see the first modern destroyer/cruiser project like the Type 055 from Russia is going to have wait for another decade or so.

 

[janjak desalin]

(...) Perhaps this is an example of convergent evolution?

Or parallel evolution, perhaps? Sorry, couldn't resist that!

 

[janjak desalin]

(...) So anyone whose expecting to see the first modern destroyer/cruiser project like the Type 055 from Russia is going to have wait for another decade or so.

Which is why I suggested that we might see a reversal of the Sovremenny deal, either with the PLAN selling the Sovs back to Russia, or with the Russian Navy purchasing major combatants -like the 052D- from China. Although that idea had been pilloried, by some, here, uuuhhhh, it's a possibility!