Hendrik_2000
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The 3 (?) Type 055 destroyers currently built at the Dalian Shipyard, others are in Shanghai.
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antiterror13
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Very interesting ... I always thought they were both the same system
Ultra
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No, the HQ-10 is the missile, while the FL-3000N is the launch platform.
It is just like the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile, the launch platform is the Mk 144 Guided Missile Launcher.
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HQ-10 is the PLAN designation. FL-3000N is the export designation???
No, the HQ-10 is the missile, while the FL-3000N is the launch platform.
It is just like the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile, the launch platform is the Mk 144 Guided Missile Launcher.
plawolf
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Two different missiles from different companies that both competed for the PLAN contract. The HQ10 won, and the FL3000N got relegted to export only.
FL3000N uses MMW radar and IIR dual seeker, while HQ10 uses a more advanced IIR only. So the easiest physically distinction is to look for the MMW radar on the bottom of the launcher to check if it is FL3000N or HQ10.
They also have different physical bodies, and different fins, both designed by different and competing institutes. More details here.
Because FL-3000N uses a passive radar seeker (homes in on the target's radar) with a dual band IIR seeker, its much more like the RIM-116 RAM. HQ-10 uses a matrix IIR, its much closer to a state of the art short ranged AAM like the PL-10.
RAM comes from the name Rolling Airframe Missile. I don't know if the FL-3000N or the HQ-10 rolls its airframe in flight, though it won't surprise me if they did. But if they did, its not to copy the RAM. The good old HQ-7 also rolls its airframe during flight, this is a flight characteristic of the French Crotale missile its derived from.
Because FL-3000N uses a passive radar seeker (homes in on the target's radar) with a dual band IIR seeker, its much more like the RIM-116 RAM. HQ-10 uses a matrix IIR, its much closer to a state of the art short ranged AAM like the PL-10.
RAM comes from the name Rolling Airframe Missile. I don't know if the FL-3000N or the HQ-10 rolls its airframe in flight, though it won't surprise me if they did. But if they did, its not to copy the RAM. The good old HQ-7 also rolls its airframe during flight, this is a flight characteristic of the French Crotale missile its derived from.
..Now if you want to ask me...
Henri K is wrong. The HQ-10 isn't IIR only, it combines both passive radar homing and IIR.
This is the RAM or RIM-116.
See the two horns on the head? Those are the passive radar antennas. Passive meaning it doesn't emit radar on its own, rather, it homes in on the target missile's radar.
See both HQ-10 and FL-3000N. The HQ-10 also has these horns.
They both have those horns.
Close up on the FL-3000N.
Henri K is wrong. The HQ-10 isn't IIR only, it combines both passive radar homing and IIR.
This is the RAM or RIM-116.
See the two horns on the head? Those are the passive radar antennas. Passive meaning it doesn't emit radar on its own, rather, it homes in on the target missile's radar.
See both HQ-10 and FL-3000N. The HQ-10 also has these horns.
They both have those horns.
Close up on the FL-3000N.
Now we go to the launchers.
Now whats on the bottom of the FL-3000N launcher might be a short ranged, high frequency radar, but I am not exactly sure.
There is something also on the bottom of the HQ-10 launcher. This does not look like a radar but an optical device, might be TV cameras operating on the light or infrared band
Now whats on the bottom of the FL-3000N launcher might be a short ranged, high frequency radar, but I am not exactly sure.
There is something also on the bottom of the HQ-10 launcher. This does not look like a radar but an optical device, might be TV cameras operating on the light or infrared band
I had always thought that the FL3000N launcher carried the HQ-10 missile.
When you look at the pics above, there is a difference between the missiles and their fins...but both seemed configured for dual targeting, both radar homing and IR.
Either way, they seem to have very similar characteristics and looks.
It is clear that the PLAN is going to be using a lot of them, just like the US is using more and more RAM...and particularly SEA-RAMs for closer in CIWS.
When you look at the pics above, there is a difference between the missiles and their fins...but both seemed configured for dual targeting, both radar homing and IR.
Either way, they seem to have very similar characteristics and looks.
It is clear that the PLAN is going to be using a lot of them, just like the US is using more and more RAM...and particularly SEA-RAMs for closer in CIWS.
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