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taxiya

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It is strange that the notion "Ship building is faster than PLAN can take" came up.

PLAN is the boss and customer. It is always the customer pushing manufacturer (shipbuilding) faster, not the other way around. If the ships are built faster than someone anticipated, I think it is more logical to think that the customer is more ready to pick them up therefor the push.
 

FactsPlease

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It is strange that the notion "Ship building is faster than PLAN can take" came up.

PLAN is the boss and customer. It is always the customer pushing manufacturer (shipbuilding) faster, not the other way around. If the ships are built faster than someone anticipated, I think it is more logical to think that the customer is more ready to pick them up therefor the push.
While your statement generally is correct, how about the so-called training capacity of PLAN? That is, it seems PLAN are inducting ships at 6~7 times faster than, say, 17 years ago, e.g. between 1990 and 2000, they induct 053H1G x4 + 053H2G x4 + 053H3 x4, total 12. Now they got 26+ 054A and 42+ 056, not to mention LPD and all those auxiliaries.

I'm afraid I'm NOT the one to address on this (training capacity) - tried but NOT very successful. So it's just a speculation of the reason. Will appreciate anyone can provide some details.
 

taxiya

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While your statement generally is correct, how about the so-called training capacity of PLAN? That is, it seems PLAN are inducting ships at 6~7 times faster than, say, 17 years ago, e.g. between 1990 and 2000, they induct 053H1G x4 + 053H2G x4 + 053H3 x4, total 12. Now they got 26+ 054A and 42+ 056, not to mention LPD and all those auxiliaries.

I'm afraid I'm NOT the one to address on this (training capacity) - tried but NOT very successful. So it's just a speculation of the reason. Will appreciate anyone can provide some details.
As you said, we know the speed of building, but we don't know the speed of training. So the notion "ship building is faster than PLAN can take" can not be made because the unknown. It is a simple and straight logic, to me at least.

One can always wonder "if PLAN training can keep up", but without any knowledge of its training capacity, the wondering is wild guess, not much meaning really.
 

Jeff Head

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As you said, we know the speed of building, but we don't know the speed of training. So the notion "ship building is faster than PLAN can take" can not be made because the unknown. It is a simple and straight logic, to me at least.

One can always wonder "if PLAN training can keep up", but without any knowledge of its training capacity, the wondering is wild guess, not much meaning really.
I do not believe the PLAN is building vessels without a clear adn concise plan to man them.

I have not seen the PLAN make such a direct and straightforward mistake to this date and do not believe they are doing so now.

Time will tell...but they clearly are operating to an overall naval buildup plan/program and that program would include the design, development, building, launching, outfitting, trials and testing, manning and training, commissionining, initial operating capability and full opeating cpability,

Each vessl in that plan, from the missile boats to the corettes, firgates, destroyers, LPDs, carriers, AORs, submarines, etc...each on of them will have a multi-year plan to lead them through that entire set of steps...which will then also include all the maintenance periods, the mid-life refits, and ultiately taking them out of commission They will have a plan for all of that. They may alter it depending on needs, particularly as the vessel goes through its entire life. But make no mistake, they have goals and milestones for all of those things for each vessel.
 

kwaigonegin

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A ship takes years to build so the personnel department will not be surprised by the sudden appearance of another one.
I don't know about years ... Unless you're talking carriers lol
PLAN has been pumping out ships like hot cakes!
However PLAN is very good as planning and there is a certain economies of scale that can be applied to human capital as well and not just big shiny things.
The time and resources needed to train 100 vs 500 sailors is really not that much more as long as the facilities are available.
I believe that they have a well defined roadmap in future inventory and naval forces composition and to think otherwise is naive at beat.
Take liaoning as an example. Why did she sit there feet wet for all those years wing an eyesore? Because PLAN wasn't ready for her. The same philosophy applies to they current naval buildup. They will not build more than they can handle. Same with LCACs.. They faced some technical difficulties and slowed down the progress is needed.
They are not Thailand with her glorified chakri nareubet.
 

subotai1

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I don't know about years ... Unless you're talking carriers lol.
It takes years. The design of a ship starts a couple of years before metal is cut. Procuring all that equipment, and assembling all the subcomponents that will go inside the ship takes a year or two of its own (even if it already exists). The actual assembly is simply the culmination of years of work that proceed it.
 

kwaigonegin

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It takes years. The design of a ship starts a couple of years before metal is cut. Procuring all that equipment, and assembling all the subcomponents that will go inside the ship takes a year or two of its own (even if it already exists). The actual assembly is simply the culmination of years of work that proceed it.
Of course it does ... however that is not within the context of what we were referring to. We're talking about PLAN building the ships they are currently building like 055, 052Ds etc.
 

delft

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I don't know about years ... Unless you're talking carriers lol
PLAN has been pumping out ships like hot cakes!
However PLAN is very good as planning and there is a certain economies of scale that can be applied to human capital as well and not just big shiny things.
The time and resources needed to train 100 vs 500 sailors is really not that much more as long as the facilities are available.
I believe that they have a well defined roadmap in future inventory and naval forces composition and to think otherwise is naive at beat.
Take liaoning as an example. Why did she sit there feet wet for all those years wing an eyesore? Because PLAN wasn't ready for her. The same philosophy applies to they current naval buildup. They will not build more than they can handle. Same with LCACs.. They faced some technical difficulties and slowed down the progress is needed.
They are not Thailand with her glorified chakri nareubet.
OT
Yesterday the BBC told me that RN is not good in personnel planning. It has nearly enough people for its first flattop but its is in trouble for the second.
 
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