Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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  1. FarkTypeSoldier
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    This is a known highly speculated rumour and this topic is hot around the Chinese communities around the world. I have always been admiring 'big' warships since I was a little kid. Always thought of joining the Singapore Navy but the injury substained during my 2 year National Service ruptured this dream. However that doesnt stop me from being a fan of any warships around the world, especially PLAN's warship, afterall I am a local born Chinese but my granddad's from China.

    The soon-to-be-serviced (2014) Type 052D will be the main backbone of PLAN for many years to come. Although it is the largest DDG in PLAN inventory, it still cant match the USN's Aleigh-Burke class DDGs and Ticonderoga class CRs. However, the presence of Type 052D class will present a headache to the (surrounding countries navies) USN's presence to make them think twice.

    The Type 055 DDG is thought to be PLAN's next generation destroyer. It is a warship with some very serious firepower to reckon with. The hulls used in the class of Type 052Bs, Type 52Cs are matured hull technology and the new Type 055's hull will be based on the former two classes hull, although it is thought to be certainly larger than those two classes. This all new class of DDG will most likely to feature a more stealthly hull and is speculated to be nuclear powered.

    Prospective specs from the communities highly spectulates the design specifications as belows:

    Tonnage: 12,000 tons fully loaded
    Length: 183m
    Beam: 22m
    Propulsion: Conventional but most probably could be nucleared
    Speed: 35 knots

    Sensors and processing systems:

    New generation of multi-module active phased array radar with a range of 600 km able to monitor and control several hundred targets and automatically distribute targets to various combat units (including the destroyer itself and other combat units). A joint combat data distribution transmission system similar to the Link-16 of US Navy.

    Armament:

    There will be four level of missile interception.

    It will be armed with:

    • One 155 mm gun that will later be replaced by an electromagnetic or laser gun.
    • Two 64VLS for surface to air missiles, cruise missiles, anti submarine missiles and anti ship missiles.
    • Each vertical launch tube of the 64VLS is 16 meters long and can be installed with one to eight missiles. The total number of missiles installed will be 128.
    • The surface to air missiles will be HongQi-10.
    • The anti ship missiles will be better than YJ-83 and YJ-62.
    • WHH004 launch device for new anti-submarine and anti-warship torpedoes.
    • Type 1130 11-barrel CIWS with the rate of fire exceeding 10,000 rounds per minute.
    • There will be two new-type anti-submarine helicopters on the destroyer.

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    Different Designs & Views for the Type 055 DDG

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    Noted: As of Jul 2013, only web sources are found and CGIs images are available! Would like to keep this thread delicated to this new class of DDG for discussion purposes only, no political talks and war talks please. Thanks :)
     
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    Why do I find it so difficult to believe in the internet source that you have posted? Sorry... from your first source, it looked like a fanboy dream rather than anything solid... and he did not mentioned which accurate and reliable sources (other than some forums) did he get his information from. and that make it hard to believe.

    No doubt PLAN would not stop at Type 054D... and will carry on advancing if economic and politics continue to be stable and there are no major problem happening internally. But up till now, unless there are official sounding or anyone who could provide good solid source and references, it seemed like alot of hot air are around and alot of fanboys dream.
     
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    Agreed. These so called sources are clearly unreliable and reek of fanboyism.

    However the existence of 055 is still a generally accepted fact around these parts, and this thread will probably come of use in a year or two (although it should probably be retitled to "055CG").

    The only commonly cited "specification" about 055 is that it may displace some 12,000 tons (2000 less than zumwalt) -- all the others, from the range of the radar, to the VLS number, speed and even propulsion are all doubtful.


    As for the pictures, they are all clearly fan CGIs.
    The first three pictures are somewhat close to what I hope the real thing will look like (basically a large vessel with an integrated mast, and the 052D's APAR set above the bridge).
    The second to last picture is awkward because it shows the APAR as 052C's... it's clearly outdated.
    The last picture shows what is basically a king sejong DDG.

    Just to indulge myself, I'll address the other claims made:
    -155mm gun -- doubtful. the new 130mm gun is just that, new. I can't see PLAN would see the necessity of a 155mm gun so quickly after introduction of PJ38 especially considering it should already be capable of firing precision guided and extended range munitions to offer fire support.
    -VLS number -- I personally also expect/hope for 128 in total, but who knows at this point. I also expect the ship to be equipped with the new universal hot/cold CCL onboard 052D, but only in greater number of course. A 16m VLS is crazy.
    -Propulsion -- Almost definitely not nuclear. Just look at the history of nuclear powered surface combatants that aren't aircraft carriers. It's littered with early retirements and high cost. 4 x QC185s/LM2500 equivalents will be perfect for a 12,000 ton ship. Preferably a Type 45/zumwalt style integrated propulsion system, which will offer the potential for DEWs to be retrofitted in future.
     
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    It's still possible to go into 155mm gun for PLAN ship to standardise the ammunition since we had heard of WS-35 ammunition that can hit 100km.

    155mm gun space require maybe too much for Type052C/D hull while Type055 will have no such restriction.
     
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    The fact that a land based artillery system of a particular calibre has had an extended range munition developed for it does not mean much. A land based shell cannot necessarily be used on a naval system (nor is it standard practise for the army and air force to standardise ammunition). And even if the land based ammunition can be used on a naval vessel, chances are the 130mm gun already has similar rounds in the works, so would it be worthwhile to develop another brand new naval gun system that is only slightly larger calibre that will only end up being fitted on the small number of 055 CGs which are built? Besides, the common practise is to develop guns and ammunition simultaneously, or develop new ammunition for an existing gun. You usually don't develop a round and than build a gun to fit around it.

    There is really no logical argument for the development of another naval gun system especially one that is only 25mm larger in calibre, considering how much of a leap PJ38 is supposed to be already. Cost, risk, time, necessity all work against the idea a 155mm gun imho.
    The only reason a 155mm gun would want be developed for 055 is if the PLAN brass desperately wanted to match the USN in every aspect including AGS.
     
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    Anyway here are some more pictures from that one set which I particularly like.

    They're as fan made as the others, but seems the most well proportioned and realistic.
    Armed with something like 128 VLS, the 130mm gun, and existing ciws and automated turret systems in reasonable locations, the APAR and mast set in a realistic geometry, with a decent but not excessive level of signature reduction. Only thing worth mentioning is the presence of dedicated slanted missile launchers which shouldn't be necessary given the new VLS. Also, instead of AK630 I'd expect Type 730 or 1130, and a twin helicopter hangar would be nice too.

    Anyway, it'll be a year or two until we get any concrete pics of 055, so for now we get to speculate.

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    I do agree that fanboyism art is the stage now. But hey, dreams do come true. J20, "J31" and so on (plus others) came out of engineering thoughts of military fans

    So ya, now is the speculation stage.

    I will update this thread as and when there are updates from official and unofficial sources.
     
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    The problem is there is hardly any 130mm gun left in PLA. PLA are going into 122mm and 155mm. Even the 152mm are going to be phase out soon. 130mm gun maybe developed to suit smaller warship like Typ052C/D.
     
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    Er... no... J-20 and J-31 came out due to PLAAF requirements rather than from engineering thoughts of military fans. It is true that you need dreams in order for any products to happen, however, most of the time, it was not thoughts and dreams of fans but the necessity, needs and requirement of PLAAF or any party needing that equipment.

    For example, the birth of I-400 (Japanese super submarine aircraft carrier in WWII), it was developed and created out of the strategic necessities at that time instead of a dream by some military fans.
     
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