Type 002 (CV-18) Carrier News & Discussions

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    Dredging work is really picking up... Another view of the basin being worked on.

    (1620 x 1080)
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    no doubt but there seems to be a theme here with Chinese navy

    aircraft carrier without aircraft, LPD without LCAC and LHD without any rotary wing

    why even bother if you are going to do half the job? a very disturbing and concerning trend

    the people involved need to think long and hard on what exactly they are doing
     
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    They might have a perfectly good reason / logic for doing this kind of things. It’s just not yet apparent to amateurs like us.

    These projects usually cost billions of $$$ and take decades to finish. It would be hard to believe that they would routinely mismanage their projects in such catastrophic scale, especially when these are matters of national security in literal terms.

    Also, the Chinese seem to have a good reputation for being methodical. They usually take things slowly and make sure they do it properly. Mismanaging things in such huge scale would be out of character for them.

    If it happens once in a while, then that might mean that someone has made a terrible mistake and would’ve been punished severely and accordingly. We all know how disciplined the PLA is... or what kind of dictatorship they have (depending on how you look at things). And if this kind of things happens again and again with a lot of their high-profile projects, you better believe this is happening for a reason. The upper echelon must be ok with it, which means this is not a mistake and is all intentional.

    The planners must have thought long and hard and decided that this would be the best way. And they have also managed to convince the big bosses that this would be the best way to do things. We may disagree with their rationale, but we should never blame them for making rash decisions or making careless mistakes.
     
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    The Z-10 and Z-20 are available. With minor modifications I am certain those can be used.
    It is only a matter of time until naval versions of both are made for the LHDs.

    With regards to the aircraft I think the main impediment was the engine but now that an engine in the proper weight category is supposedly available the fighter should turn up eventually. I think even more urgent than the next generation naval fighter would be a trainer aircraft which can conduct hook landings and catapult takeoff.
     
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    Or destroyers without crews, or cities without people.

    Bu why build airplanes without airports, or breed more people without more living room, or train people to be drivers without the cars.
     
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    Interesting features on the new basin.
    drydock.jpg

    Green - basin perimeter road doesn't touch the main road
    Black - same hole on the point where the rails of a crane should be in a fitting dock.
    Purple - it is no visible here, but the end wall height is lower than the super block rail height And there is a big hole between the external wall and the internal wall.
    Same thing on the next pictures
    drydock2.jpg
    Similar gap block the crane rails in the middle
    drydock3.jpg
    Relatively new picture, still two gap on the "road"

    Interesting
     
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    You are right, the Chinese are on the right track. Just ignore these bashers who have no clues what is going on.
     
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    Have to support you.

    Two large training ships, a training aircraft carrier + two support "barrack" ships and numerous smaller training ships, around 10 navy training academies and navy university, 225,000 navy personnel (2012) excluding recently added marine force. So China has difficulties in sufficient people to man their new ships?
     
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    I disagree

    Where is the 3rd batch of J15

    Where is the LCAC

    Where are the naval rotary wing brigades

    All of these are handicaps for PLAN

    Building ships is easy

    Utilising them is not, it takes years to master a amphibious ready group

    China has ship with no experience

    They can’t deploy a ARG and carrier strike group

    Look at RAN and the 2 x Canberra class

    After years of joint excercises with USN only after 2021 will they be deemed combat ready

    And another 5 years to actually carry out operations

    Dilusional fan boys thinking when Carrier is launched it will be battle ready even more so when they have no planes
     
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