Since when did China care about international sentiment towards it? The current anti-China sentiment will only accelerate the launching/commissioning of these carriers as China needs faster power projection.
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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A far departure from 'Hide your abilities, bide your time' strategy certainly...
It was a strategy for a specific time and circumstance - not an eternal religious diktat - and it was always implicit in that strategy that China's time would come and there would be no more hiding. The strategy germane to the here and now is for China to gather the power necessary to ensure that its red lines are respected by all and sundry.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
China has been bullied many times in the past just to name a few
Taiwan strait 1996
Belgrade Embassy 1999
Hainan incident 2001
Under Obama the whole Dalai Lama thing
And now Trumps tariffs
I mean it’s constant
Power stops with power
No wonder China is building like no tomorrow
Taiwan strait 1996
Belgrade Embassy 1999
Hainan incident 2001
Under Obama the whole Dalai Lama thing
And now Trumps tariffs
I mean it’s constant
Power stops with power
No wonder China is building like no tomorrow
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
China has grown immensely over the year in term of economy and security So there is no place to hide anymore.
Irrespective of what China does China is now seen as a competitor and threat. I would even say China has act deferentially to US interest. If I were China I will double down on defense budget to 3 or 4 % of GDP and built hundred of LST, LPD, LHD for Taiwan Invasion. Taiwan is lynch pin in China containment due to tyranny of geography With Taiwan gone Japan will be neutralized
People should never forget history Qing's China act peacefully all she want to be left alone but that was never to be instead she was invaded because Britain incurred large trade deficit and has no mean to balance it except selling opium that devastated Chinese population with addiction. Sound familiar and Deja Vu? China security is precarious and She does not even take it seriously now She need to double down on arm built up the pace is too slow
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What does doubling military spending from 2% to 4% of GDP actually achieve? That would work out as 220 Billion USD.
Yes, there will be a larger conventional military, but given that it isn't in China's interest to fight an actual shooting war, what is the point?
But China should field a larger nuclear deterrent, as that will make a war between China and the USA inconceivable.
A force of 50 road mobile DF-41s would mean 500 nuclear warheads that could reach the USA, and would come at minimal cost.
That would still leave more than 200 Billion USD every year, for domestic development and technology upgrading.
China building a wealthy, prosperous hi-tech society is the ultimate winning scenario for China.
We would see a self-sufficient economy some 3-4x larger than the USA, with commensurate Chinese political influence and military capabilities.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
3 to 4 % of GDP is affordable to China , Right now China spend 12 to 15 billion per year for foreign aid to Africa and other country What for Not too mention billion more stashed in US treasury bill
The idea that strong economy will be enough is false delusion again read history Song's China was wealthy they try to buy peace with the Barbarian to no avail Prosperity is only possible with peace and the best way to guarantee peace is strong defense. They should emulate Japanese slogan which is actually Chinese BTW except the Chinese forgot it
Fukoku kyōhei originally a phrase from the ancient Chinese historical work on the Warring ... wealth and military power, also known with the expression fuguo qiangbing
Without saying they need to double up on nuclear deterrent
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FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Well placed foreign aid planning can have more strategic benefits that spending same amount on defense, not to mention in most cases the foreign aid in most cases also ends up generating revenue for Chinese companies. Also, there is no point in investing in more conventional ICBMs with HGV on the horizon.
I agree that doubling military spending in China to 4% is affordable. But is it actually necessary?
A large resilient hi-tech economy is ultimately what will support the creation of a strong Chinese military machine.
And that economy also means China's neighbours will have a vested interest in the health of the Chinese economy.
But of course, if the USA does start a full scale cold war, then of course China should double military spending.
But we're not yet at that point.
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Note to watchers from the USA.
China's military spending in 2017 was *equivalent* to 460 Billion USD. That's based on a PPP GDP of 23 Trillion USD x 2%.
If China was to decide to increase military spending to 4% of GDP, I reckon it would at most 5 years to build up to that level.
So by 2023, China would be spending the equivalent of 1200 Billion USD every year. That is based on a PPP GDP of 30 Trillion USD x 4%.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
The history of foreign aid in Africa is not that brilliant I am old enough to remember Tanzania Railway that was built with sweat and toil of Chinese people in the mid of severe deprivation in China itself during the 60's
What happened too it ?it was barely functional due to severe lack of maintenance and neglect and changing political landscape with the need to bypass South Africa is anachronism
And how many million of the aid end up in the pocket of Dictator like Mugabe ?
I can see the need for foreign aid in China's immediate neighborhood like central Asia and South East Asia. But far away place like Africa or Latin America ?
Those mandarin in Beijing have compulsory need to be loved Instead they get hectoring and blame for debt trap etc
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