CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

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Jeff Head said:
Agreed.

Time will tell us for sure.

If the next carrier is CATOBAR and has EMALS, then we will know that they are indeed absolutely and completely satisfied with it.

If not, then I will wonder whether or not thousands of launches ever occurred.

I wonder about that number at this point as it is...and as I say, agree that at least hundreds is very possible if they have been happy with what they have developed and are testing it. If they have, I would expect that by now more than one J-15 has been put together for cat launch.

Do you have any chatter on 002 and its building? I really expect to start hearing about another carrier being started soon with the second carrier proceeding towards trials like it is.
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First of all, 002 is now widely accepted among most of the Chinese defence boards as the designation for the STOBAR carrier built in Dalian launched earlier this year, aka "CV-17".

002 is no longer the designation for the first CATOBAR carrier. Some English speaking media and even some state media who do not know better are continuing to call the STOBAR carrier "001A" and the CATOBAR carrier as "002" but in reality they should probably now be called "002" and "00X" respectively.
The thread title should probably be changed.


There are some indications suggesting fabrication of modules for 00X may have begun this year or something like that, but cards are still being held close to the chest.
 
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It's all but certain that China is going straight to EMALS, CCTV has been pumping this for a while now. It's already quite clear in June time. China has it's own way of being open, and this is how they let you know.
What Yin Zhuo said was 成百上千次。meaning hundreds or above a thousand times without major issue or accident. He didn't say thousands.
 
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longmarch said:
It's all but certain that China is going straight to EMALS, CCTV has been pumping this for a while now. It's already quite clear in June time. China has it's own way of being open, and this is how they let you know.
What Yin Zhuo said was 成百上千次。meaning hundreds or above a thousand times without major issue or accident. He didn't say thousands.
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Such a number of test launches is definitely within the realm of possibility.
 
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Bltizo said:
And as far as we know, only one catapult compatible "J-15T" airframe has been built. Even if we consider the possibility of 2-3 total J-15T airframes, that still makes "thousands" of launches seem a bit much.
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Who said they have to launch an aircraft every time to do testing?
 
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China is quite open these days. Partly because of their growing confidence, partly because those who needs to know already know a lot one way or another.

For example they live broadcasted Long March 5 first launch, that's risky and a big no no in the old days. It's quite open by any standard. The second launch actually ended up with a failure, which was a big disappointment for sure, but the public is mature and strong enough to take it.

However, we are probably still years away to see a video showing J-15 being launched. Before that, we only have words and some pictures.
 
Jeff Head

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Bltizo said:
First of all, 002 is now widely accepted among most of the Chinese defence boards as the designation for the STOBAR carrier built in Dalian launched earlier this year, aka "CV-17".

002 is no longer the designation for the first CATOBAR carrier. Some English speaking media and even some state media who do not know better are continuing to call the STOBAR carrier "001A" and the CATOBAR carrier as "002" but in reality they should probably now be called "002" and "00X" respectively.
The thread title should probably be changed.


There are some indications suggesting fabrication of modules for 00X may have begun this year or something like that, but cards are still being held close to the chest.
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We discussed the renaming of the thread and until the PRC itself comes out with a clear nomenclature to the definitions, we are going to keep them the way they have been.

As soon as there is an official word from the PLAN or PRC in that regard, we will change...but official means official and not big shrimps or a comment in passing that is clearly not an official designation.

SO, call it what you will, if the 1st CATOBAR carrier has EMALS we will know concerning the topic we were discussing.,.
 
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Jeff Head said:
As soon as there is an official word from the PLAN or PRC in that regard, we will change...but official means official and not big shrimps or a comment in passing that is clearly not an official designation.
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Here you go. You don't even need to know Chinese to see "002" on the billboard.

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vincent said:
Who said they have to launch an aircraft every time to do testing?
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Was Admiral Yin Zhuo's statement in the CCTV interview talking about test launches with aircraft or merely testing the catapult?

I was under the impression that he was talking about launching aircraft.

edit: just saw your link with the interview. watching now to see what he actually said


Obviously if he was talking about merely test launching the catapult, that can easily be done with sleds, in which case many more launches could be anticipated.
 
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vincent said:
Who said they have to launch an aircraft every time to do testing?
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I watched the interview you linked, thanks for that by the way.

At 6:54, he mentions the J-15 had been launched from the EM catapults "many times" which he follows by saying "hundreds to thousand times".

So clearly, for the "成百上千次" he is referring to the number of times that a J-15 has been launched from the EM catapult.


However, this does not preclude the likelihood that the EM catapult has had many more hundreds or even thousands of test launches using sleds, either at the Huangdicun NATF site, or even as a prototype at other sites not at Huangdicun.
 
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