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asif iqbal

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I disagree carrier needs to perform formation sailing with their escorts and rest of the strike group

we haven't seen tanker accompany the carrier nor have we seen replenishment of the carrier
 

Intrepid

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I disagree carrier needs to perform formation sailing with their escorts and rest of the strike group

we haven't seen tanker accompany the carrier nor have we seen replenishment of the carrier
You will see that with carrier 003 under construction soon. Liaoning and 002 are for pilots training as long as the carrier force is growing.
 

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there is no big need for carrier replenishment on sea - the chinese carrier's today are used within the first island's, not in real blue water

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and other news papers also call it "Type 001 A"

That is not a newspaper article, it's an op-ed. Sina Military's op-ed is not known for its quality.

在这个历史性的时刻,中国将成为继美国之后,世界上拥有现代化航母最多的第二个国家,因为不仅这艘001A要海试,另外还有002型也就是中国第三艘滑跃式起飞航母正在加紧建造中。

Further more, this particular commentator, Chen Guangwen, claims that the third carrier, which he named Type 002, is STOBAR.
 

Intrepid

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001型航空母舰 = 001 aircraft carrier = 16 Liaoning:
Type 001 Aircraft Carrier (001型航空母舰).jpg

002航母工程 = 002 aircraft carrier engineering = no penannt number and name given yet:
Type 002 Aircraft Carrier (002航母工程).jpg

That is all we know for sure at the moment.
 

latenlazy

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This reminds me of similar purges back when Stalin was in power in the Soviet Union. I think they called anyone who was working on a project deemed unworthy by the central government 'wreckers'. Tupolev was arrested in this time period because of his continual failures to produce a modern heavy bomber design and Korolev was arrested for working on rocket airplanes. Thankfully for the Soviets, however, they did not sentence Tupolev to death. They just put him into a prison labor workshop.

This might indicate the central government either wants to downscope efforts in the aircraft carrier program so is setting up these people as failures in the court of public opinion. Or it could also be that they expected faster results at this point in time. However this does not bode all that well. These kinds of purges are typically done by totalitarian regimes just before a reorganization pending a major looming military conflict. I hope I am not reading too much into this.
Or. You know. The guy actually engaged in corruption, and for good or ill this administration is actually quite serious about enforcing anti-corruption standards? Not everything that happens in China is about power contest drama and political and theater.
 

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… Chen Guangwen, claims that the third carrier, which he named Type 002, is STOBAR.
if the third carrier is named as Type 002, the second carrier seems to be Type 001 A …
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002航母工程 = 002 aircraft carrier engineering = no penannt number and name given yet:
View attachment 50566… .
so this could be carrier vessel 002 (which is in builder-trials) or Type 002 (= carrier vessel 003), which I suspect. Because at the time of publishing, the engines of CV 002 was build.
 
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Sczepan

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Carrier Vessel 002 is already used, but CV 002 seems to be Type 001 A - that is the difference, as I sad before again and again.
 

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Henri K take on the latest Cv17 trial

Type 002: 4th exit at sea for the 2nd Chinese aircraft carrier
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A little more than 7 weeks after the end of his last test at the sea, which took place recently from October 28th to November 6th in an area 100 km south of Dalian, the 2nd Chinese aircraft carrier again lifted anchor last Thursday for a new test campaign.

This is the fourth time that the quasi-sistership of " Liaoning " has taken off to the sea since its launch in late April 2017. The entry into service of the new Chinese aircraft carrier is still given for Q3 2019 according to our estimate.

Compared to its last outing, the ship moving about 60,000 tonnes is distinguished this time by the presence of the 4 stopping lines, now installed on the flight deck. But there is no reason to suppose that landing tests will take place on board.

On the other hand, the three full-size models already present last time, namely a J-15 electronic warfare version, a Z-8 helicopter and a Z-9 light helicopter, were seen on the deck of the aircraft carrier at its departure. It can then be assumed that the onboard aviation support equipment will continue to be tested and adjusted.

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    Two days before departure, the arresting wire are clearly visible on the flight deck.
  • 2018-12-31-Type-002-4e-sortie-%C3%A0-la-mer-pour-le-2e-porte-avions-chinois-05-1024x577.jpg

    Departure of the 2nd aircraft carrier for its 4th exit to the sea (Photos: 香港 文匯報)
As with its last outing, the Type 002 aircraft carrier is expected to evolve again south of Dalian, but in a smaller area than the previous one.

The LN-297 Navigation Alert, issued by the Liaoning Province Maritime Safety Bureau, prohibits access to all unauthorized vessels within 149 km - or 1,048 km² - because of "military operations". From December 26th at 8:00 am to December 30th at 6:00 pm Beijing time.

Note that this area is actually within those of the first three outputs, which are virtually identical.

辽航警0297
黄海北部,自12月26日0800时至30日1800时,在
1. 38 ° 45'00 "N 122 ° 23'00" E
2. 38 ° 45'00 "N 122 ° 36'00" E
3. 38 ° 15'00 "N 122 ° 36'00" E
4. 38 ° 15'00 "N 122 ° 23'00" E
诸 点 连线 内 执行 执行 军事 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务.

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Le 2e porte-avions de la marine chinoise pourrait mener son 4e essai à la mer avant la fin d'année, du 26 au 30 Décembre précisément, mais c'est à confirmer. Les dernières photos de la presse chinoise Wen Hui Bao (文汇报) montrent que le bâtiment est prêt à partir.


If the duration of 26 to 30 December - 5 days in all - may seem short in comparison with previous releases, especially that the aircraft carrier left only the 27 finally, it is not excluded that the tests will continue in another place in Bohai Bay if one believes in a second notification from the Chinese authorities.

In fact, another no-access zone has been reported by the LN-0301 navigation alert. This 92.7-kilometer zone is located near several Chinese Navy test and military installations, including the Xingcheng Air Training Pilot Training Center.

It is therefore possible that the Chinese pilots and their J-15s, or with JL-9G advanced training planes, make overflights and circles around the new aircraft carrier to check the various aeronautical tracking and guidance equipment, before the deck tests are performed later on the ship's next seagoing.

辽航警0301
渤海,自2018年12月29日0800时至2019年1月11日1800时,在
1. 39 ° 43'00 "N 120 ° 07'00" E
2. 39 ° 43'00 "N 120 ° 20'00" E
3. 39 ° 28'00 "N 120 ° 20'00" E
4. 39 ° 28'00 "N 120 ° 07'00" E
诸 点 连线 内 执行 执行 军事 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务 任务.
The latter is of course only a working hypothesis. We are closely following the official date of the return to the aircraft carrier and institutional communications to confirm, or deny, this.
2018-12-31-Type-002-4e-sortie-%C3%A0-la-mer-pour-le-2e-porte-avions-chinois-01.jpg

Henri K.
 
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