CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations
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Hendrik_2000
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Record speed post WW II carrier construction. Barring any major hiccup, I would not be surprised if CV 17 is commissioned at the end of the year !
Actually launching in the foggy weather is a good indication that they have confidence in their navigational radar
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One difference I've noticed between CV-17 and CV-16 is that there seems to be a single large rectangular weapons elevator between the two bow ski jump launch points (JBDs), whereas CV-16 I think had four smaller rectangular weapons elevators.
Hendrik_2000
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It is all over the media now
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(CNN)China's first domestically built aircraft carrier began sea trials on Sunday, a historic step in the country's mission to build a navy capable of rivaling the world's leading maritime powers.
The new aircraft carrier, temporarily named Type 001A, sailed out at around 7 a.m. in Dalian, in the northeast province of Liaoning, according to reports in Chinese state media.
The ship will become the country's second aircraft carrier, and the first to be entirely built and designed inside of China, when it joins the navy as early as the end of this year.
The carrier's maiden sea trials follows a speech given by Chinese President Xi Jinping on April 12, in which he announced plans to build a under the banner of the Chinese Communist Party.
China's first carrier, the Liaoning, a retrofitted Soviet-era Ukrainian vessel, was hailed as the fulfillment of aof the Chinese nation when it launched to much celebration in 2012.
But experts said while the new aircraft carrier will dramatically boost China's military power in the Asia region, its technology was still outdated and lagged far behind the world's naval superpower, the United States.
"This is, in and of itself, not designed to be some frontal challenge to US power in the Asia Pacific, because it simply isn't in the class of America's aircraft carriers," Sam Roggeveen, senior fellow at Sydney's Lowy Institute, told CNN.
Chinese workers labor on the deck of China's first domestically built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, at the shipyard in Dalian on 16 April.
Bigger and better
China's second aircraft carrier will be "modernized" compared to its first, experts said, with a design that's bigger and heavier to allow it to carry more planes.
The basic design for the new aircraft carrier is clearly modeled heavily on the Liaoning, including the signature ski-jump inclination at the front from which aircraft lift off.
Speaking to CNN, RAND Corporation senior international defense research analyst Timothy Heath described the design as generally easier to build and to operate aircraft from.
But expert analysis of pictures and satellite images of the new China-built vessel reveals it has been altered in subtle ways, possibly allowing it to accommodate up to eight additional aircraft.
By comparison, the Liaoning is thought to currently carry around 30 warplanes, including fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.
According to Peter Layton, visiting fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute, the Liaoning was intended to act as more of a training vessel, whereas the new ship is likely to be deployed in real world missions.
As of this year, the United States Navy fields 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, more than any other nation in the world.
The US ships feature "catapult" technology, in which a gear attached to a steam-powered piston or an electromagnetic rail gets aircraft up to flight speed as they leave the deck.
Aircraft launched by catapults can get airborne and with greater quantities of fuel and ammunition, giving them an advantage over Chinese planes, which rely on their own power when lifting off from the Liaoning's ski-jump.
China's sole aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, arrives in Hong Kong waters on July 7, 2017.
Still more sea trials needed
Once an aircraft carrier passes its sea trials, that doesn't mean it's ready for combat. Although the type 001A has successfully left the ship yard, plenty of problems can, and most likely will, arise.
In late 2017, the United Kingdom's new aircraft carrier, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, embarrassingly and needed repairs.
In the United States, the USS Gerald R Ford, the US Navy's newest carrier and the most expensive warship ever built at $13 billion, has a host of problems.
The Ford was commissioned into the fleet in July 2017, however, a January 2018 report from the Pentagon's Operational Test and Evaluation Office says the 100,000-ton warship is plagued with troubles in critical systems, including its catapults that launch planes, the arresting gear which catches them upon landing, and its radar.
Those deficiencies "make the ship more vulnerable to attack, or create limitations during routine operations," the report said.
Other problems are more mundane, but show just how many things have to be ironed out in a new warship: The test office report says the Ford is expected to be short of spaces for its crew to sleep.
China's second aircraft carrier was launched at a ceremony on April 26, 2017
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(CNN)China's first domestically built aircraft carrier began sea trials on Sunday, a historic step in the country's mission to build a navy capable of rivaling the world's leading maritime powers.
The new aircraft carrier, temporarily named Type 001A, sailed out at around 7 a.m. in Dalian, in the northeast province of Liaoning, according to reports in Chinese state media.
The ship will become the country's second aircraft carrier, and the first to be entirely built and designed inside of China, when it joins the navy as early as the end of this year.
The carrier's maiden sea trials follows a speech given by Chinese President Xi Jinping on April 12, in which he announced plans to build a under the banner of the Chinese Communist Party.
China's first carrier, the Liaoning, a retrofitted Soviet-era Ukrainian vessel, was hailed as the fulfillment of aof the Chinese nation when it launched to much celebration in 2012.
But experts said while the new aircraft carrier will dramatically boost China's military power in the Asia region, its technology was still outdated and lagged far behind the world's naval superpower, the United States.
"This is, in and of itself, not designed to be some frontal challenge to US power in the Asia Pacific, because it simply isn't in the class of America's aircraft carriers," Sam Roggeveen, senior fellow at Sydney's Lowy Institute, told CNN.
Chinese workers labor on the deck of China's first domestically built aircraft carrier, the Type 001A, at the shipyard in Dalian on 16 April.
Bigger and better
China's second aircraft carrier will be "modernized" compared to its first, experts said, with a design that's bigger and heavier to allow it to carry more planes.
The basic design for the new aircraft carrier is clearly modeled heavily on the Liaoning, including the signature ski-jump inclination at the front from which aircraft lift off.
Speaking to CNN, RAND Corporation senior international defense research analyst Timothy Heath described the design as generally easier to build and to operate aircraft from.
But expert analysis of pictures and satellite images of the new China-built vessel reveals it has been altered in subtle ways, possibly allowing it to accommodate up to eight additional aircraft.
By comparison, the Liaoning is thought to currently carry around 30 warplanes, including fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.
According to Peter Layton, visiting fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute, the Liaoning was intended to act as more of a training vessel, whereas the new ship is likely to be deployed in real world missions.
As of this year, the United States Navy fields 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, more than any other nation in the world.
The US ships feature "catapult" technology, in which a gear attached to a steam-powered piston or an electromagnetic rail gets aircraft up to flight speed as they leave the deck.
Aircraft launched by catapults can get airborne and with greater quantities of fuel and ammunition, giving them an advantage over Chinese planes, which rely on their own power when lifting off from the Liaoning's ski-jump.
China's sole aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, arrives in Hong Kong waters on July 7, 2017.
Still more sea trials needed
Once an aircraft carrier passes its sea trials, that doesn't mean it's ready for combat. Although the type 001A has successfully left the ship yard, plenty of problems can, and most likely will, arise.
In late 2017, the United Kingdom's new aircraft carrier, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, embarrassingly and needed repairs.
In the United States, the USS Gerald R Ford, the US Navy's newest carrier and the most expensive warship ever built at $13 billion, has a host of problems.
The Ford was commissioned into the fleet in July 2017, however, a January 2018 report from the Pentagon's Operational Test and Evaluation Office says the 100,000-ton warship is plagued with troubles in critical systems, including its catapults that launch planes, the arresting gear which catches them upon landing, and its radar.
Those deficiencies "make the ship more vulnerable to attack, or create limitations during routine operations," the report said.
Other problems are more mundane, but show just how many things have to be ironed out in a new warship: The test office report says the Ford is expected to be short of spaces for its crew to sleep.
China's second aircraft carrier was launched at a ceremony on April 26, 2017
Is there any reliable data on the actual dimensions of CV-17 as compared to CV-16?
Some good pics, click on pages 2 & 3:
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- "The control tower island of the Type 001A is approximately 10 percent smaller than that of the Liaoning.
- It displaces roughly 66,000 – 70,000 tons, a few thousand more tons than the Liaoning.
- It features the advanced Type 346 S-band AESA radar system.
- Its airwing is expected to be slightly larger than that of the Liaoning, featuring around 8 additional aircraft.
- The Type 001A may have an internal arrangement that is better optimized than the Liaoning’s.
- It is expected to be commissioned around 2020."
Jura The idiot
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... and it's all happened while I slept, so I wanted to post at least this CNN story, but can't LOL!
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After waiting for so long, Dalian finally did it. But in right when most of the watchers are asleep, and no video as well. 
Why U do dis, Dalian !?!?!?
Why U do dis, Dalian !?!?!?
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