CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations
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The panels appear to sit higher up on the island which will give them a broader view and further range. The panels are also larger which implies both more power, and newer technology than the earlier ones.
This could mean, again, longer rang, and better capability in terms of numbers of targets they can track, and their ability to ferret out smaller and perhaps lower radar cross section targets.
They are probably NOT capable of completely seeing or tracking full latest generations and technology stealth aircraft...but anything they can do will help. Being able to see a "blank" space coming towards you, if you can get anything out of it and then plot whatever you get moving cn imlpy a target. Now whether they can lock onto it ot nor...or even do as much as I just implied is something we simply do not know.
But sitting higher up, and being larger does imply longer range, more power, and the ability to track more targets at the very least.
ANother thing to consider. Some people ask why the US put such a powerful new radar on their new carrier the Ford. That new radar is very impressive and powerful.
But the carrier's weapons systems are all for self defense and relatively short ranged. They have a very stron self defense suite with 3 x 20mm Phalanx, 2 x RAM launchers for close in missile defense and 2 x ESSM launchers for out to mid range defense.
But, with cooperative engagements capabilities, you can probably bet that the info gathered by that radar can be ed to its escorts, who do have much longer ranged missiles.
I would not be surprised to learn that the PLAN is doing something similar.
A Larger platform like a carrier implies more power and more room to allow it to carry a much stronger radar and other defensive electronic systems. It would be natural, if they can, to share whatever they acquire and see with their escorts of they have that capability.
The US does have a demonstrated capabbility to do that.
I want to point out radars can not see stealth aircraft as a blank space coming towards you. Radar detect targets by sensing radar waves reflected back towards the radar, when there is nothing there, nothing gets reflected back. When there is a well handled stealth aircraft, nothing gets reflected back either. There is no way to distinguish the black space occupied by stealth aircraft from blank space occupied by nothing.
I also want to add the new radar arrangement on the 001A, where the panels point at 45 degrees rather than front, back, left and right seems to be almost standard for primary fixed electronically scanned arrays on most warships. This could be because this arrangement offer more tactical flexibility if one panel, particularly the panel facing the front, is out of service.
Perhaps the direction that is most likely to be of the strongest interest to the situation awareness of a task force is directly ahead, where the task force is headed. With panels pointed straight ahead, behind, and to the sides, if the front panel is out of action, the ship become blind to the entire front quadrant. It must steer at least 45 defeees away from its intended heading to get any coverage of the area of its strongest interest where it really intends to go. So it’s tactical flexibility is significantly reduced.
With panels oriented at 45 degrees, if one of the two front panels is out of action, the ship only needs to steer a few degrees away from the intended heading in the direction of the inoperative array to restore radar coverage of its intended heading.
I also want to add the new radar arrangement on the 001A, where the panels point at 45 degrees rather than front, back, left and right seems to be almost standard for primary fixed electronically scanned arrays on most warships. This could be because this arrangement offer more tactical flexibility if one panel, particularly the panel facing the front, is out of service.
Perhaps the direction that is most likely to be of the strongest interest to the situation awareness of a task force is directly ahead, where the task force is headed. With panels pointed straight ahead, behind, and to the sides, if the front panel is out of action, the ship become blind to the entire front quadrant. It must steer at least 45 defeees away from its intended heading to get any coverage of the area of its strongest interest where it really intends to go. So it’s tactical flexibility is significantly reduced.
With panels oriented at 45 degrees, if one of the two front panels is out of action, the ship only needs to steer a few degrees away from the intended heading in the direction of the inoperative array to restore radar coverage of its intended heading.
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Carriers have to steam into the wind and travelling back. They are not steaming towards the enemy, they are travelling from left to right like a holding pattern when the conflict is going on. And the radar waves from one ship are recieved from the other ships, the radars are working together to have a chance to detect stealth aircraft.
This is not necessarily true.Richard Santos said:
Yes...seeing nothing at all is like seeing nothing at all. but most radars, particularly newer ones can get tell-tale signs fo something...even f it is very small and indistinct.
So training aan operator, and tuning the software to take note of those tell tale signs may allow them to know something is coming, without knowing exactly what, and withut being able to necessarily lock onto it.
No stealth to date is perfect. As I say, there are tell tale signs of something being there, even with the latest stealth. And the closer it gets, the more indications there are...even if they cannot tell escatly what it is, and particularly when they cannot get any kind of lock on to it. That is what makes current stealth capabilities very strong. The opposition is not sure what they are sing and may believe they are anomolies as a result...and they have been unable therefore to get any kind of lock and firing solution.
Hendrik_2000
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kwaigonegin
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That supertanker inside the dock makes her look puny by comparison.Satellite photo of Shandong at Dalian, dated 9/29/2017.
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Imagine there was a flight deck on the supertanker with sponsons and angled deck ...
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That is certainly a thought. With that long runway, it can take off and land with minimum support, ok maybe with arrestors. Would be interesting as backup deck.
asif iqbal
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Guys it confirmed that is CV-18!!!
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