Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    I did not bother to read the contents of the link. If you think the F-15EX has any nexus with the F-35 please point it out. The F-15 aging airframe and associated capacity gap is because Congress truncated the F-22 program. Had the full buy been maintained, the F-15EX would not even be in consideration as the whole F-15C fleet would be retired. People write stuff out of ignorance and connect dots when there aren't any. We now live in a world where up is down and black is white because reason and logic is suspended. There are plenty of arguments in this forum based on fantasy stuff and you just need an echo chamber to sustain it.
     
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    Turkish defense firms set to lose billions after F-35 removal https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...orary-losses-after-f-35-removal-idUSKCN1UD1LZ
     
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    Well stated Mr. Brumby!
     
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    and here finally is the truth my friend, the Turkish people will suffer for this very poor decision on the part of their President, Turkish people, families, and companies will suffer the loss of this partnership, the US has been a faithful defense partner to Turkey for many years, supporting their entry into NATO, and not only offering the sale of our very best, but a part and parcel of every sale to enrich the Turkish people...

    all thrown away, and yes, they will lose billions of dollars, but more importantly their highly esteemed position in this defense partnership!
     
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    TF-X.. lol yeah. The best case scenario it will be smt like Tejas.
     
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    Not too long ago everyone was scoffing at China. J-10... yeah right. Let's not arrogantly dismiss the Turks just yet.
     
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    Sorry for this OT post, but it is not arrogance, but plain logic; given the latest developments, it is a so much unrealistic project, that I would even rate it pure Turkish arrogance to think they could manage something, in which other nations with much more experience failed before.


    Just look: What did Turkey so far develop? ... Nothing, not even any comparable plane alone.

    And now they want to develop a Raptor-class aricraft from scratch? This is plain ridiculous ... they have so only completed for others, they licece assemblied for others or manufactured for others. They have no engine and AFAIK RR bailed out only tob e replaced by General Electric … but given the latest developments I cannot see GE develop a new engine fort hem. And any Turkish company alone?? That’s a joke.


    And even if everything goes fine, political issues will settle … how will they fly a prototype by 2025 and be read for serial production after only three years in 2028 – given their own claims - ??? Neither the US with their F-22 and F-35 projects managed this, nor China with the J-20 … and the Russians are still struggling with their Su-57. So simply forget it.

    And now back to the JF-17-
     
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    The Raptor is rather obsolete junk once you consider the F-35 with its EODAS and enhanced stealth. We have rumors that the F-35 is utilizing metamaterials, but we are certain that the F-22 is not. Likewise, the initial variant lacked an EOTS / IRST equivalent, which is only coming with an MLU.

    It's not unbelievable for the Turks to build a Raptor-equivalent considering that it's essentially 1995 technology.
     
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    And based on what?? They have barely designed and developed anything on their own, they have no engine nad if they continue with this political game I see no Chance of getting any help from anyone in the West, ... and meta-material is neither some sort of magic which solves everything nor is it easily available.

    If it would be so much easy "to build a Raptor-equivalent considering that it's essentially 1995 technology" just tell me why Russia and China, both with vast experience and a well established aviation industry so far either failed or needed so Long to succeed and Turky with barely ZERO experience should manage this until 2028?? Forget it, this is nothing but a wet-dream and it will in the end even more dramatically fail than the Indian Tejas.
     
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    :) Keep comparing China to Turkey. Either you don't know anything about the two countries or you have some ulterior motive. Turkey does not have money, human capital or know-how, period. There is literately zero chance they can develop TF-X. They may develop smt like a Grippen if they can get a lot of direct help from others but it will be a project like tejas destined to failure from the inception. Look at any project Turkey claims as their own development. They all have their critical sub-systems imported.
     
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