Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    In any regard, Turkey is no doubt happy with their new "missiles" of the S400... yes? life goes on my friend

    This F-35 deal will be a fiasco, but life in Turkey has taken a turn..... yes, indeed it has......
     
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    Turkey in the best of times was already a difficult alliance partner due to political ideology. Initially they probably thought they could get away with having the cake and eating it. The Japanese additional requirements could easily absorb the slack coming off the Turkey loss.

    No doubt the S-400 is a very capable system especially against European 4th gen platforms. Imagine how would a Rafale or Typhoon take on a S-400 system? Turkey would also loose a lot in terms of capabilities without the F-35. Their LHD would now lack true aviation capability without the F-35B.
     
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    Brother we've been through this a few times over the years:

    the F-35 Program is an example of what ('one-size-fits-all') and how NOT to procure

    Apr 14, 2019
     
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    and in the meantime
    Turkey officially kicked out of F-35 program, costing US half a billion dollars https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/07/17/turkey-officially-kicked-out-of-f-35-program/
     
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    Those industrial participants help pay development and production cost for all the other partners, so you have development, production expenses spread over a dozen partners, depending on their financial and purchase commitments, I guess you don't understand "long division" but if you and I together buy an airplane because alone we wouldn't be able to pay for it, that is a 50% reduction in purchase price and fixed expenditures, such as insurance, licensing, and maintenance....??? but that may be a hard concept to grasp friend??

    Partners are lining up and writing checks Dude, that's "INCOME", it benefits each and every partner to spread the bills around.....

    and no doubt, I'll keep having to remind you of the benefits of partners, the Chinese know? (attempting to gain some partners in the FC-31, no takers yet!), the Russians know, selling 24 Su35 to the Chinese, helped them finance their own Air Force purchase! its real simple
     
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    what you've just described is Clinton-era "thinking", now:
    DOD: Relocating F-35 Supply Chain Costs Up to $600 Million
    7/17/2019 http://airforcemag.com/Features/Pag...h-F-35-Suppliers-Costs-Up-to-600-Million.aspx
     
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    now
    Russia to Turkey: While you’re at it, would you like some jets? https://www.defensenews.com/industr...y-while-youre-at-it-would-you-like-some-jets/
     
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    Note Undersecretary Lord's specific use of the term "suspension", and general caginess.
     
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    It would require one of three possible changes of the political landscape.
    • Withdraw of S400 by Turkey.
    • Removal of S400 missile system by Russia
    • President Trump or his potential successor to push hard to sell F35
    • US Congress to push back against the Executive branch and reinstate sales to Turkey.
    Turkey won’t drop S400. Erdogan has invested to much and his distrust of the US is more than that of Russia.

    Russia won’t withdraw the system, they have wanted Turkey on their side so to speak. This weakens US abilities out of its Air base in Turkey and locks up a major ally in the Eurasian theater for Russia.

    President Trump won’t flip flop on this to close to reelection, to much at state.

    Congress won’t flip flop on this to close to an election.
     
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    here's FOXBusiness

    "The biggest acquisition disaster Opens a New Window. in the Pentagon’s Opens a New Window. history shows no sign of abating.

    The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the poster child for ineptitude and inefficiency in defense procurement, ..." and so on:

    Need for new F-15s reflects F-35 catastrophe https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/need-for-new-f-15s-reflects-f-35-catastrophe
     
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