Trade War with China

Status
Not open for further replies.

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General

Yes, Canada, you're a hypocrite accusing China of not following the rule of law when you take orders from Trump who doesn't follow the rule of law. SNC Lavalin anyone? At least they're not in denial anymore that this has nothing to do with the arrest and extradition of a Huawei executive for the US. But of course because they can't admit this was their fault, they bring up the Hong Kong protests that they're for not even mentioning the irony that the protests are about what Canada did arresting a Chinese citizen for politics and extraditing her for the US. Then they suggest China's reputation is going to be harmed in the eyes of Canada's allies because of this. Oh do they mean the reputation that has always been attacked by them? They didn't bother to think of the ramifications in the first place. They just thought the US was going to protect them.
 
now I read
Taiwanese companies hit by US-China trade war lured back home by Taipei
  • ‘Invest Taiwan’ offers low-cost loans, help finding workers and even rent-free accommodation for firms struggling to make a profit on the Chinese mainland
  • Since February, 66 firms have benefited from the programme and committed to invest US$10.5 billion in the self-ruled island
Updated: 3:41pm, 15 Jun, 2019
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

One of Taiwan’s biggest paper manufacturers, which for the past 22 years has done most of its business on the Chinese mainland, is planning to shift the bulk of its operations back home as the trade war between the world’s two largest economies bites into its profits.

Long Chen Paper Co, which produces industrial paper, paperboard and corrugated container boxes, said it had been considering a move for the past couple of years since Beijing introduced restrictions on imports of waste paper, which it uses in its manufacturing process.

That legislation saw its costs soar and the tariff dispute between China and the United States has only made matters worse.

While rising costs might be reason enough to consider relocating, a new financial scheme launched by the Taiwanese government has sweetened the pill still further.

“Invest Taiwan” was introduced by Taipei to lure companies back from the Chinese mainland, and while it is mostly aimed at companies in hi-tech sectors, Long Chen’s scale and profile makes its participation something of a coup for the government.

Under the scheme, the company has been able to apply for low-cost loans to cover the cost of its relocation.

“Eighty per cent of our sales come from the mainland, but with costs there rising we need to shift some of our production back to Taiwan to reduce the impact of the tariff war,” said Danny Chou, the company’s chief financial officer and spokesman.

He said the company was planning to spend about NT$7 billion (US$222.12 million) on the construction of a new production line at its plant in Changhua, which would offset the reduction in output at its three factories in central and eastern China.

“If the installation of our new facilities goes smoothly, we expect output of low-carbon paper at the Erlin unit [in Changhua] to increase by 650,000 tonnes in the fourth quarter of next year,” Chou said.

The company was also planning to expand operations at its three other mills in northern, southwestern and southern Taiwan, which would boost production by a further 200,000 tonnes, he said.

Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen announced the incentive scheme last year and it came into effect in February. Since then, 66 companies have benefited from the programme – and committed to invest NT$330 billion in the self-ruled island – and the government said it was reviewing many more applications.

Among the big names to take advantage are Delta Electronics, bicycle maker Giant, Quanta Computer and Yageo Corp.

As well as offering financial incentives like reductions or even waivers on rental payments for up to two years, low-cost loans and access to specialist tax advice, the government in Taipei promises to help returning firms overcome long-standing problems in Taiwan, such as land shortages, the lack of stable power and water supplies, and a deficiency of labour and high-end talent.

While the scheme is mostly aimed at attracting companies operating in seven key sectors – hi-tech, the internet of things, smart machinery, biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, green energy technology and national defence – the promotion is not exclusive.

“The government programme came just in time for us,” Chou said.

When Beijing introduced its restrictions on waste paper imports in 2017 the company had to get approval from the government to buy it, he said. That increased costs significantly but when Beijing also then imposed a 25 per cent tariff on waste paper from the US as part of its dispute with Washington, the situation became untenable.

Chou said that the company had negotiated a low-interest loan with a Taiwanese bank and would move ahead with its relocation plans as soon as the deal was finalised.

Shen Jong-chin, Taiwan’s economics minister, said the effects of the trade war had made companies realise the benefits of returning to the self-ruled island.

“Most businesses move to the mainland because of the environmental, labour, land and cost issues [in Taiwan],” he said.

“[But] the tariff war has made them consider relocating, and with these problems solved, I believe more Taiwanese businesses will return home.”

He said that as part of the Invest Taiwan programme Taipei had negotiated with government-run companies and other agencies, like Taiwan Sugar Corp, to make some of their land stocks available to returning companies.

Despite Shen’s confidence, Jason Lin, honorary chairman of the World Taiwanese Chamber of Commerce, said the scheme was not suitable for everyone, and that companies outside the hi-tech sectors would see little appeal.

“It’s unlikely the incentives and preferential treatments offered by the programme will be extended to all Taiwanese companies seeking to relocate,” he said.

“For traditional industries like textile and shoe manufacturers, or businesses that might create environmental problems, the government is less likely to take them back.”

The manager of a Taiwanese company with operations in the south China province of Guangdong, agreed.

“We wanted to relocate [back to Taiwan], but we’ve had difficulty finding a suitable plot for our electroplating plant,” said the person, who declined to give his name.

Liu Chung-hui, a specialist in tax accounting, said that some companies were also being held up by tax issues, both in Taiwan and the mainland.

“It’s actually quite difficult for mainland-based Taiwanese companies to get their earnings out of the mainland,” she said.

“The mainland authorities will do all they can to prevent companies from profit-taking, including hitting them with huge tax bills, after previously giving them financial incentives [to move to the mainland].”
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
According to Trump, the best "deal" for the US is a 25% tariff on all imports from China. Let's wait and see.
If that were true, he wouldn't be trying to make a deal and that certainly wouldn't be 50% of what he talks about all day.

He thinks he's clever by not showing his hand or saying the opposite of what he wants but he's so deranged by age he doesn't know how obvious his tactics are. He probably just read it in "his" book that one should play down the importance of a deal to prevent one's opponent from using it against one as leverage and immediately started chuckling and rubbing his hands together like he found some new negotiating secret technique. In reality, trying to get talks started by saying he doesn't care for a deal and he's happy to not have a deal is not interpreted by anyone has having a strong hand; it's a sign of how feeble a level his mind operates on.
 
If that were true, he wouldn't be trying to make a deal and that certainly wouldn't be 50% of what he talks about all day.

He thinks he's clever by not showing his hand or saying the opposite of what he wants but he's so deranged by age he doesn't know how obvious his tactics are. He probably just read it in "his" book that one should play down the importance of a deal to prevent one's opponent from using it against one as leverage and immediately started chuckling and rubbing his hands together like he found some new negotiating secret technique. In reality, trying to get talks started by saying he doesn't care for a deal and he's happy to not have a deal is not interpreted by anyone has having a strong hand; it's a sign of how feeble a level his mind operates on.
maybe you should join the negotiators, not genetics from
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/a-reappraisal-of-chinas-semiconductor-strategy.t8511/page-26
 
now I read
Insidious US entraps HK with new Act
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/15 0:01:38
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

The US Senate introduced the bipartisan Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act on Thursday, while the House of Representatives' bill is expected to be approved on Friday. The act requires the US government to reaffirm Hong Kong's autonomy, human rights and democracy every year, and re-evaluate whether Hong Kong warrants a special status as a separate customs territory by Washington.

In other words, the current China-US tariff war has no direct impact on Hong Kong unless the region is stripped of separate customs territory treatment.

The US Congress' insidious act is to turn Hong Kong into a new tool to add pressure on the Chinese mainland. Meanwhile, the US is trying to incite complaints among Hong Kong residents against the mainland and create a fake impression that Beijing is threatening Hong Kong's special status. Washington is inflaming Hong Kong's situation.

Some Western politicians have never really thought of Hong Kong's welfare since its return to the motherland. As a child of China, Hong Kong was like being forced to be adopted, or abducted, by others. When the child was returned to its birth parents, what should people do if they really care about the child?

First, give the child good conditions. The UK may have had such an intention during its negotiations with China over the return of Hong Kong, although what it really cared about was maintaining its interests in Hong Kong. To some extent, the "one country, two systems" policy considered Hong Kong's experience of being adopted, and the Basic Law endowed Hong Kong with much better democratic conditions than the so-called democracy during British rule. Hong Kong's British governors were sent by the UK, but today Hong Kong's chief executive is elected according to the law.

Second, if Western countries regard themselves as Hong Kong's then adoptive parents, they should tell the child to get along well with its birth parents and adapt to the new environment, if they really love the child.

But the UK had been trying to sabotage Hong Kong's relations with its motherland. The last British governor of Hong Kong Christopher Patten created a series of incidents to incite Hong Kong's confrontation with the mainland when he left the region. After Hong Kong's return, the US continued to interfere in Hong Kong's affairs. This shows their dark mindset: If Hong Kong does not belong to the West, turn it into China's problem.

The US Congress has created a systematic threat to cancel Hong Kong's separate customs territory status, and this is like using a baby to threaten the parent: Promise me my conditions or I'll drop the baby. The US is ruining Hong Kong and is trying to make the mainland look cold-hearted.

Hong Kong's interests are tied to the mainland. We expect Hong Kong's promising future and feel hurt to see the disturbance. But US politicians will do anything to worsen Hong Kong's condition.

The global situation is changing profoundly. The US now regards China as its major strategic rival, so how can it be in the mood to care about Hong Kong's welfare? It only wants to use the region to restrain China. If people of Hong Kong are not vigilant against this, they will fall into the US trap as pawns.

It's time for Hong Kong and the mainland to unite in opposition to US strategic plots and manipulation. We should together maintain Hong Kong's prosperity, which concerns the interests of Hongkongers as well as the whole country.

Hong Kong compatriots, please do not fall in Western elites' trap and be abducted by the few radical opposition forces. The mainland and Hong Kong are family. Facing international upheavals, we have no choice but to unite like a fortress.
 
now I read this tough sounding
Commentary: Never underestimate China's will to fight trade war till the end
Xinhua| 2019-06-15 16:19:12
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Whether China and the United States would see a turnaround in trade negotiations around the upcoming Group of 20 (G20) Osaka summit, clearly, the prospect entirely depends on the actions of the United States.

If the U.S. side would honor its commitment, deliver on the consensus reached by leaders of the two countries in Argentina and solve China's core concerns on the basis of equality, mutual benefit and mutual respect, it is highly possible that the turnaround will happen.

But if some people in the United States continue to exert maximum pressure on China and continue to utter in an unstable and immature manner, it is only wishful thinking that the negotiations would see progress.

Experiences in the past year have proved that China is able to withstand U.S. pressure and can afford it in the long run.

The tariffs imposed by the United States on the Chinese products have exerted little impact on the Chinese economy. Leading indicators show that China's economy remains resilient in May driven by brisk growth in domestic consumption. In the first five months of the year, foreign trade volume bucked the external headwinds and continued expanding.

For more than a year, the Chinese economy has stood the test of trade frictions with the United States, and the good momentum will continue.

Facing U.S. trade bullying, China has intensified countermeasures. By introducing the unreliable entities list and national technological security management list system and issuing U.S. travel alerts, China stands ready for a protracted trade war with the United States. China has ample ammunition, and releasing more countermeasures will be a regular practice.

The U.S. side should know that if it escalates its threat against China and its blocking of China's industries, China will only fight back even harder. China's determination and will to fight the trade war until the end should never be underestimated.

The upcoming G20 meeting is an opportunity to see whether the United States has real sincerity to solve the conflict. If not, China's sincerity could be squandered.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Iran is not really much of a military threat for the US. America has been preparing for an attack on Iran for decades, ever since the Iranian revolution.

The Iranians had neither the money or technology to pose a serious military threat, and the primary factor that has stayed America’s hand is geography, and Iran’s ability to disrupt oil shipments in the ME.

America has largely weaned itself off ME oil with fracking and shale, so at this point, and Iranian attacks on oil tankers would be far far more damaging for China than America.

Speaking of China, it really doesn’t have any special relationship with Iran; frankly, China most likely values its relations with Saudi Arabia and Israel more than Iran, and both of whom would not be pleased if China backed Iran in any significant way.

Not that China has the means or will to get involved in any case. While China can present a serious challenge to the US militarily in its own sphere of influence, the ME is far too far away from China for China to be able to mount any major military operation against even a weaker foe, never mind the US military. The same is true of Russia. It lacks the means to support Iran as it did Vietnam because it geography.

Vietnam was only Vietnam for the US because it had the steadfast support of both the USSR and China.

Iran has no such backers, so would be no match for the US militarily, which is probably why Trump is now sniffing around.

As history has shown, nothing distracts and unites a country like shooting war.

Trump has bitten off more than he can chew with his trade war with China, a hot War with Iran would be just the thing he needs to distract the American people from the economic pain to come; and a win would whip up nationalism and all but assure his re-election in 2020.

Just like what happened to Thatcher in the UK. Her popularty prior to the Falklands was at an all time low.

Hey, presto. After the Falklands, she won the election by a massive landslide.... I wonder why?
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
After the Vietnam war, talking of overseas war during presidential campaign is no longer popular because ordinary Americans know that the US can't afford to lose another major war to China or Russia.

Not sure about this, look at both the gulf wars, Panama, Grenada. "Mission accomplish". Etc. All very popular with the voting public, particularly the MAGA kind!
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
The sad part is that a lot Americans will actually believe this nonsense.

Great isn't it, its unbelievable that he can sit there in front of a national audiance, and the world, and say such a thing without batting an eyelid!

And what's worse is none of the western MSM ever bothered to take him to task on it. And I'm not talking about taking him to task on being wrong on fact.

But actually for:

1/ lying to your countrymen knowing the fact that what you, as the POTUS is lying through your teeth on national TV. (bit of the Nixon moment).

OR

2/ That you are not lying, but are in fact, saying what you believe to be true..... in other word, Ignorance!

So either way, it doesn't look good. In front of America, and the world. You're either a liar, or a ignorant fool!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top