Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Level

TyroneG

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1)We all know China has a lot of issues with Jet Engine Development. China must conquer that to move up to the next level. It has a lot of implications if China can clear the hurdle. Sinodefence already a lot of Jet Engine thread, so I don't need to expand too much. I place Jet Engine Development as its Number 1 national project in importance.




2)For 2nd most important undertaking is its weakness in semiconductor field. You see China has state enterprise in every important areas and sector in aviation, cars, rail train, shipping, energy but it doesn't have a single state enterprise in Semiconductor field. It's most prominent tech companies such huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, Haier are predominantly system supplier. There are a few promising Chinese semiconductor companies like Spreadtrum, RockChip, RDA, but they way too small. There are hundred of fabless Chinese semiconductor design houses but many of them lack scale, funding, tech base to amount to everything.
I would say 95% components inside Chinese system are from US like Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Nvidia, Marvell, TriQuint, Maxine, Cypress, Atmel, Altera, Xilinx, Texas Instrument, Mediatek, Samsung, Micron.

US government do not use any Chinese hardwares in any of its defense system. Those fake Chinese Chips from articles are actual recycled scrapped parts from previous systems . They are not supposedly Chinese Semiconductor Chips. US government already Banned ZTE and Huawei even though they used a lot of US components.

Over 95% of components inside Chinese system are foreign parts is serious national security issue. I am not advocating protectionism like some of other western government but 50% should be from Chinese suppliers.

Definitely , China needs a Semiconductor Revolution to restructure its component landscape. Maybe it could form the very first state enterprise that supply semiconductor components and partner with Samsung to learn from the Best.

As of now, it has a major hole and No single State enterprise player in such critical field.
They poured a lot of subsidy into solar panel and wind generators but those are relatively low tech stuffs. China seems to take to easy out, hopping on something simple and hope to make a lot of money from that. But western protectionism are slamming these two low etched products out.

So, letting the free market force to determine to outcome is Not working for CHina in this semiconductor field. Not a major player has emerged so in face of so many advanced foreign players,it's time pull in the national resources and form a big group to tackle this issue.

Even if the chinese player can supply to only its domestic market it's good enough. China will soon be a 10Trillion economy. A single dominant state enterprise in semiconductor is good enough to supply 50% of CHina 's components need, I don't think western country would allow them to penetrate anywhere outside of CHina. but again that' good enough.
 

kroko

Senior Member
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

2)For 2nd most important undertaking is its weakness in semiconductor field.

Not denying what you saying, but for someone that doesnt understand much of semiconductor industry in china like me, how about some sources to back up your claims?
 

TyroneG

Banned Idiot
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

Not denying what you saying, but for someone that doesnt understand much of semiconductor industry in china like me, how about some sources to back up your claims?

its from yrs of industry personal experiences, there's nothing for me to quote or source to back up anything.

which one specific you don't agree?
 

kroko

Senior Member
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

its from yrs of industry personal experiences, there's nothing for me to quote or source to back up anything.

which one specific you don't agree?

I dont necessarly disagree on anything because i dont know much of china´s semiconductor sector, but its better when someone backs his claims with some sources (credible sources if possible).
 

TyroneG

Banned Idiot
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

I dont necessarly disagree on anything because i dont know much of china´s semiconductor sector, but its better when someone backs his claims with some sources (credible sources if possible).

Maybe I raise couple questions as to guide your thinking.

1)Several global scale Chinese tech companies Huawei, ZTE, Haier, Lenovo, do you agree they are they are biggest Chinese tech companies? Now, Which one is a semiconductor company?

2)Do you know any large scale State enterprise Chinese semiconductor company?

So, if your answers are No to above, then its fairly easy to deduct China has to import over 90% of foreign components for its industrial, consumer usage. That's Why I am saying they need a revolution or some sort to alter that landscape. Therefore it should has a very high priority.
 

TyroneG

Banned Idiot
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

I think these two named are very hard for China to overcome. China did try hard to overcome them but result is mixed.
 

lostsoul

Junior Member
Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

^^^ will mean nothing if China cannot have Food security to feed its population.

Currently every year they are losing agricultural farmland. Rapid industrialisation of farming is key. Also Food safety has to be stepped up.
 

TyroneG

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Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

^^^ will mean nothing if China cannot have Food security to feed its population.

Currently every year they are losing agricultural farmland. Rapid industrialisation of farming is key. Also Food safety has to be stepped up.

With Money, you can import food and that's what they are doing now. Pretty of developing countries and developed countries are exporting foods. Like in Asia, Thailand, Vietnam are exporting a lot of foods.
It's no a thing to worry. China currently focusing on advancing industrialization.
 
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Re: Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Lev

Maybe I raise couple questions as to guide your thinking.

1)Several global scale Chinese tech companies Huawei, ZTE, Haier, Lenovo, do you agree they are they are biggest Chinese tech companies? Now, Which one is a semiconductor company?

2)Do you know any large scale State enterprise Chinese semiconductor company?

So, if your answers are No to above, then its fairly easy to deduct China has to import over 90% of foreign components for its industrial, consumer usage. That's Why I am saying they need a revolution or some sort to alter that landscape. Therefore it should has a very high priority.

Did a quick google and found this.

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Despite that fast growth, most of China’s 500 chip design companies are still small, and experts are not optimistic about their potential to become global leaders. According to PWC, China’s biggest fabless company is HiSilicon Technologies, a subsidiary of Huawei, the world’s biggest telecoms equipment maker, with US$652 billion in revenues in 2010. Spreadtrum Communications Inc., the second biggest in terms of revenue, designs semiconductors for cell phones. It forecasts revenue exceeding US$500 million in 2011, up from US$369 million in 2010.

I'm not sure 500 chip design companies is a big number for a country as big as China.


As for the actual chip manufacturing, the most famous must be SMIC
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According to the above article, China is now putting more attention to this area instead of concentrating only on chip designing.


Also,
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. (Some of the companies here are just doing trading and are not the manufacturers themselves.)

Some of the electronics manufacturer I have found here:

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TyroneG

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Did a quick google and found this.


Some of the electronics manufacturer I have found here:

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No, No, No... those are simple stuffs, Those are simple peripheral analog devices using older gen of tech.
I am talking about modern multiple million gates digital or mixed signal 40nm below type of very high speed chips.
You don't see Samsung or Intel making those stuffs, they are actually embarrassment to global scale semiconductor company if they offering this products as their main products.
 
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