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The Sino-Russian Strategic Partnership starts to get serious!
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AssassinsMace
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I was watching GPS 360 on CNN on Sunday morning and Fareed Zarkaria called the gas deal 19th century thinking. Just because they saw politics behind it against the interests of someone else, that's 19th century thinking? Here we go again where they can used politics as a political tool in economics yet when other people do against their interests, that's primitive 19th century thinking.
There are so many different articles out commenting about the gas deal contradicting one another. The deal does nothing to it's the end of the world. This article here is in the same mentality of when Europe was looking for a bail out from China yet expected China not to take advantage acting as if European economic problems were like a natural disaster and not man-made so China shouldn't exploit it. If Russia plans to use the pipeline that China partially paid for to sell gas to India, South Korea, and Japan, China shouldn't be paying what they're going to be paying. Why aren't there price controls when there's a shortage on anything. It's called capitalist market principles at work. All of the sudden the champions of capitalism want to be communist when it suits their purpose. If they didn't want Russia going to China, then they shouldn't have helped push Russia there.
There are so many different articles out commenting about the gas deal contradicting one another. The deal does nothing to it's the end of the world. This article here is in the same mentality of when Europe was looking for a bail out from China yet expected China not to take advantage acting as if European economic problems were like a natural disaster and not man-made so China shouldn't exploit it. If Russia plans to use the pipeline that China partially paid for to sell gas to India, South Korea, and Japan, China shouldn't be paying what they're going to be paying. Why aren't there price controls when there's a shortage on anything. It's called capitalist market principles at work. All of the sudden the champions of capitalism want to be communist when it suits their purpose. If they didn't want Russia going to China, then they shouldn't have helped push Russia there.
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If closer Russia-China ties do lead to military technology co-operation it would make more sense for them to focus on:
1) ABM and air defense technology, as these are strategic game changers where the US and its allies appear to have a bridgeable lead.
2) Completing existing "attempt to catch up" projects where the US and its allies definitely have a lead on both countries in very important areas, such as stealth aircraft, electronic warfare, cyber warfare, SSKs/SSNs/SSGNs, railguns, and lasers.
3) Whether Russia can get value out of helping China on projects where China still lags Russia, in propulsion technology across all types of aircraft and ships/subs, ballistic missiles, and SSBNs.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that headline, the new government and now clearly dominant faction in Ukraine is clearly Western block-leaning. A Western block-leaning Ukraine means a strategically vulnerable Russia which is no small victory for the US and its allies.
this western leaning block Ukraine can't even pay it's gas bills. so lets see how many checks the US and its allies will write out each month to Russia. the Russians are saying ''please pay the amount OUTSTANDING, and there won't be friendly discount prices anymore, it would be strictly European prices thank you very much''. it's all party now but the weather should be turning cold in say 3&half months.
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I have been wanting to get my teeth back into this subject for some time. The trouble of course is that with such a wealth of goodies announced over the last month, its difficult to find a good place to start.
Of course the Gas deal is a big issue in its own right, but it is also I think symbolic of the seriousness of intent of both sides. Over the last the few years, both nations have been a bit like a uncertain couple setting a date for a wedding, with both looking for excuses to drag their feet at different times. There is a reason for this: it is more than just a business deal. it is an open act of declaration for a new political direction, which is a naked challenge to the established world order. It is a gauntlet being thrown down, which cannot afterwards just be picked up.
What the Gas deal represents should be viewed in the context of an engine and a vehicle hitched together. The Gas deal is the pressing of the on key that fires it all up.
It is also the opening of the Chinese Capital Sluice gate into Russia and on a scale that will rapidly dwarf what has been seen previously. The first destination is of course the Russian Far East and we already have a raft of signed Investment deals to develop resources and build infrastructure. On top of this we also have the creation of a new Special Economic Zone which will straddle both countries across North Eastern China and Far Eastern Russia.
Excess and underemployed Chinese capital is already pouring into the Russian Far East; an exciting prospect on its own, but only the start of it. Over the course of the next decade, what will build in this zone is an economic/financial Tsunami that will grow and spread Westwards, spurring high growth rates in both China and Russia for the foreseeable future.
The exciting part is that in the mid 2020's, this Tsunami is going to hit the Eastern borders of the EU. This means the arrival of the full weight of physical Chinese influence in Europe at a time when the power of the Chinese economy will be; in PPP terms, the equivalent of the US and EU combined, and a time when the EU is likely to be still as stagnant as it is now. The impact and consequences for the Euro elite is going to be devastating and much of the East of the Union torn out of Brussels influence once more.
Behind the economics we also have some very particular mechanisms to control and shape critical aspects of the developing partnership. Key to this at the moment is the joint committee headed by Vice Premiers of both Russia and China to help steer strategic and critical development and investment decisions.
There will undoubtedly be a military aspect in all this and we have already agreements for Space Exploration and the joint development of Global positions satellites. All of which are the key ingredients for integrated Air Defence and Situational awareness systems.
Tass today has reported another very important development in the form of an address by the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) Secretary-General Nikolai Bordyuzha to the Russian State Duma
Here the gloves have been well and truly taken off
Get the surf boards out, as it going to be the ride of your life!
Of course the Gas deal is a big issue in its own right, but it is also I think symbolic of the seriousness of intent of both sides. Over the last the few years, both nations have been a bit like a uncertain couple setting a date for a wedding, with both looking for excuses to drag their feet at different times. There is a reason for this: it is more than just a business deal. it is an open act of declaration for a new political direction, which is a naked challenge to the established world order. It is a gauntlet being thrown down, which cannot afterwards just be picked up.
What the Gas deal represents should be viewed in the context of an engine and a vehicle hitched together. The Gas deal is the pressing of the on key that fires it all up.
It is also the opening of the Chinese Capital Sluice gate into Russia and on a scale that will rapidly dwarf what has been seen previously. The first destination is of course the Russian Far East and we already have a raft of signed Investment deals to develop resources and build infrastructure. On top of this we also have the creation of a new Special Economic Zone which will straddle both countries across North Eastern China and Far Eastern Russia.
Excess and underemployed Chinese capital is already pouring into the Russian Far East; an exciting prospect on its own, but only the start of it. Over the course of the next decade, what will build in this zone is an economic/financial Tsunami that will grow and spread Westwards, spurring high growth rates in both China and Russia for the foreseeable future.
The exciting part is that in the mid 2020's, this Tsunami is going to hit the Eastern borders of the EU. This means the arrival of the full weight of physical Chinese influence in Europe at a time when the power of the Chinese economy will be; in PPP terms, the equivalent of the US and EU combined, and a time when the EU is likely to be still as stagnant as it is now. The impact and consequences for the Euro elite is going to be devastating and much of the East of the Union torn out of Brussels influence once more.
Behind the economics we also have some very particular mechanisms to control and shape critical aspects of the developing partnership. Key to this at the moment is the joint committee headed by Vice Premiers of both Russia and China to help steer strategic and critical development and investment decisions.
There will undoubtedly be a military aspect in all this and we have already agreements for Space Exploration and the joint development of Global positions satellites. All of which are the key ingredients for integrated Air Defence and Situational awareness systems.
Tass today has reported another very important development in the form of an address by the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) Secretary-General Nikolai Bordyuzha to the Russian State Duma
Here the gloves have been well and truly taken off
Get the surf boards out, as it going to be the ride of your life!
antiterror13
Brigadier
So, China get the most benefit from Ukraine crisis ..... somewhat similar to USSR broke up ..
Another big step in China's investment strategies for realising its Silk Road Projects.
China has announced the creation of its own Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, which will act as an alternative to the World Bank and IMF and of course be far more amenable to China's own projects.
When formally announced in May, a Capital figure of $50 Bilion was widely quoted.
In an RT article today, the figure of $100 Billion is given as the opening Capital balance
China has announced the creation of its own Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, which will act as an alternative to the World Bank and IMF and of course be far more amenable to China's own projects.
When formally announced in May, a Capital figure of $50 Bilion was widely quoted.
In an RT article today, the figure of $100 Billion is given as the opening Capital balance