The Sino-Russian Strategic Partnership starts to get serious!

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
You know a thought has been buzzing around my Skull. The Russians are building a second Cosmodrome in Siberia close to the Chinese boarder. Now I have said Don't think the PRC space program will profit much from these deals. But the Russians are another story. The Soyuz spacecraft is a relic from the Apollo era, and the Chinese Shenzhou capsule is a derivative of it but much more modern. I am wondering if the Russians placed that new Cosmodrome there with the intent of using this deal to take inputs from Shenzhou and build a Soyuz replacement or upgrade using the Chinese systems. It would be a major upgrade for them. Or given there want off of ISS perhaps a joint venture with the PRC on a new space station. Although I believe a Ruso-Sino station would be out designing two stations one Russian and one Chinese but based on the same design and constructed like what the British and French joint Carrier program was supposed to be might be a option.
 
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Jeff Head

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This deal is a good deal for China and Russia. There is no doubt about it. It will certainly work to the benefit of the Russian and the Chinese people and I cannot fault them in the least for that.
 
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antiterror13

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totally agree, " ....the great majority of the American people are good", the same thing for Chinese people, Indian people, Iranian people, Russian people, etc, including North Korean people

only a small bad population or government to ruin everything ... sadly
 

Skywatcher

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You know a thought has been buzzing around my Skull. The Russians are building a second Cosmodrome in Siberia close to the Chinese boarder. Now I have said Don't think the PRC space program will profit much from these deals. But the Russians are another story. The Soyuz spacecraft is a relic from the Apollo era, and the Chinese Shenzhou capsule is a derivative of it but much more modern. I am wondering if the Russians placed that new Cosmodrome there with the intent of using this deal to take inputs from Shenzhou and build a Soyuz replacement or upgrade using the Chinese systems. It would be a major upgrade for them. Or given there want off of ISS perhaps a joint venture with the PRC on a new space station. Although I believe a Ruso-Sino station would be out designing two stations one Russian and one Chinese but based on the same design and constructed like what the British and French joint Carrier program was supposed to be might be a option.

There's a Russian replacement for the Soyuz coming out, it's the Prospective Piloted Transport System, but it seems to be in limbo right now, after its original carrier vehicle was axed.
 

AssassinsMace

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They're trying psychoanalyze the gas deal on how horrible it is. Look into the pathology on that! They didn't want the gas deal to go through simply because it only strengthens Russia from Western sanctions. To say it's all about something else entirely is desperate denial plain and simple.
 

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They're trying psychoanalyze the gas deal on how horrible it is. Look into the pathology on that! They didn't want the gas deal to go through simply because it only strengthens Russia from Western sanctions. To say it's all about something else entirely is desperate denial plain and simple.

For goodness sake, they are neighboring countries!!! Is it so weird if Russia want to sell gas to China and China wants to buy them? No need to tie their panties in a knot over this deal...
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
There's a Russian replacement for the Soyuz coming out, it's the Prospective Piloted Transport System, but it seems to be in limbo right now, after its original carrier vehicle was axed.

Which is part of the Reason I had that thought. The Chinese capsule's systems and parts may be integrated into the perspective system.
 

tphuang

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Please make note that if you would like to post economic related stuff happening in this trip, there is a forum and thread for that. The idea that we allow thread to be open doesn't mean we condone political statements against western countries. There are board that allow that kind of "China ally with Russia against West" kind of discussion. This is not one of them. We want to keep things professional and technical to welcome members of all backgrounds here to post and share their thoughts. Please respect that.
 

delft

Brigadier
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard on the significance of the gas contract:
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Russia's gas king taunts crumbling Europe over China pipeline coup
Gazprom's chairman has describing Europe's energy shortage as "scary" and ridiculed the EU's push for wind and solar power as a shambles

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, in St Petersburg
4:19PM BST 23 May 2014

Europe has lost the global scramble for reliable energy supplies and faces a long-term queeze as Siberian gas is diverted to the fast-growing markets of Asia, Russia's gas chief has warned in scathing comments aimed at EU political leaders.
Alexey Miller, chairman of the state giant Gazprom, said Russia's $400bn deal this week to supply gas to China for 30 years is a black moment for Europe and will change the geo-strategic balance in the world. "The global competition for Russian gas resources started yesterday. Let there be no mistake about that. We have untapped the Asian market and this is going to have an impact on European gas prices," he said.
Mr Miller said the 38bn cubic metres (BCM) contract from 2018 is larger than the entire volume of liquefied natural gas (LNG) sold in the world. "You don't find that sort of contract on the side of the road in Europe," he told the St Petersburg Economic Forum.
Relishing his theme, he said China's gas demand is growing exponentially and would surge past Europe's total consumption to reach 400 BCM in "the very near future" as the Politburo tries to wean its polluted mega-cities off coal-powered plants. A large proportion of this will come from the vast Siberian fields, crowding out supplies for buyers in Europe deemed "less reliable".
Describing Europe's energy shortage as "scary", he ridiculed the EU's push for wind and solar power as a shambles, and said its LNG venture had gone nowhere with capacity use collapsing to 22pc. "Europe has lost the competition global for LNG, and in a single day it has just lost the competition for the world's pipeline gas as well," he said.
The comments reflect the fury in Russia over a string of hostile measures by Brussels following the Ukraine crisis, including a de facto freeze on the South Stream gas pipeline through the Black Sea and plans being developed by a team at the European Commission to slash reliance on Russian gas as quickly as possible.
The China prize has given Russia a dramatic means of fighting back, though it is far from clear what the Memorandum of Understanding between the two sides actually means. Most analysts say it is highly unlikely that China would wish to become too dependent on Russian supplies after witnessing the skirmishes in Europe.
The reason why Europe's imports of LNG have fallen so low is because Japanese demand since the Fukushima nuclear disaster has pushed up the price. Germany, Spain and the UK have been turning to coal instead to produce electricity.
Mr Miller's words were echoed by the Russian energy minister, Alexander Novak, who predicted that China would need to import a further 110 to 130 BCM from Siberia beyond the original deal, a four-fold increase.
Mr Novak was slightly more cautious, saying that China's total gas use would double over the next decade to 300 BCM and then flatten at European levels. By then India would be entering the fray as the next big market.
Michael Stoppard, chief gas strategist for IHS Energy, said the volumes may be huge but the price is being held down by "brutal competition" from coal. Gas currently trades at a price equivalent to $30 a barrel in the US and $60 in Europe, far below the spot price for oil.
It is no longer a remote prospect that the "sleeping giant" of Iran could burst on the global scene with colossal levels of supply as sanctions are lifted. Gas may rise from 21pc to 25pc of global energy use by 2030, he said, but that does not mean that Russian gas producers will automatically make much money from it.
 

BigWang

Banned Idiot
Now, China and Russia becoming buddies, hopefully, Russians can pass down their strategic weapons like the black jack and Borei subs to China.

China can license produce the black jack and fitted with WS20 core and be able to go all over the world.
 
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