The Sino-Japanese Naval War of 2012

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    would China go to war with Japan? if it did, who would win?

    first about the chance for a conflict: in my opion, if japan carries on with its purchase plan about the Diaoyu island, then the chance for a fight is quite high.

    secondly, who will prevail in the fight, my answer is China. Japan and China are pretty much on par on navy and airforce, but China has a large arsenal of ballistic and cruise missles which will determine the outcome.

    finally, will america get involved in the conflict? my answer is no. bounded or unbounded by the treaty, with or without the treaty, america is not going to fight. america didn't fight for taiwan in 1958, it didn't fight for south vietnam in 1974.




     
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    from "Foreign Policy"
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    I agree in today’s terms Japanese has a very efficient and well lead Navy and they always have had, the sailors are second to none as are the commanders of the fleets, Japanese are extremely well disciplined , China on the other has been operating primitive equipment and has very little experience and the human factor does not compare to Japanese, Japan has the equipment and the men, so on a balance of probabilities I give it to Japan, plus Japanese Navy train with Americans

    It is only in the last 10 years that Chinese Navy has changed, but changing materials is one thing having crews to operate them is another, there is an old saying in PAF, it’s not the machine that makes the difference it’s the man behind the machine that counts, lesser equipped military can defeat better equipped military by using superior tactics, strategy, organisation, training, discipline, guts and intelligence, in addition the military and the commanders that can change tactics in the midst of battle and adapt to a changing situation and still come out on top are the ones who decide who wins and who losses

    The recent equipment like Type 056, Type 054A, Type 052C, Type 071, Type 0903A and new Type 095 SSNs, Type 096 SSBNs and new carriers are all very good world class equipment, but I do not know if the crews are as good as the ships they operate, China must establish a naval personal that are amongst the best of the best, I don’t like this idea of having an “elite core”, everyone must be elite

    However, and this is a big however, if China continues its naval rise and starts a more aggressive policy, increases its naval personal standard, consistently develops its naval strategy to its modernising fleet, and keeps adding in well trained personal to its ships in the near future China CAN equal Japan

    If each fleet eventually takes on 2 x DDG flotillas with each flotilla have 4 x DDGs that’s 24 x Type 52C/D DDGs

    NSF (117-120) and (121-124)
    SSF (170-173) and (174-177)
    ESF (150-153) and (154-157)

    Type 052C is world class by any standard so Type 052D will be of a design which is “upgradable” and can re-fitted with modern sensors, electronics and radar as time goes on because Chinese DDG are now of matured design, if China decides to go with a cruisers then we could be looking at over 30 major surface combatant’s within the next ~15 years, not to add in the 30 or more modern FFGs, giving a final tally of over 60+ modern surface vessels, in this situation Japanese is lost its edge, so point is Japan is ahead but is loosing its superiority over China at a fast pace
     
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    The only way China can win is to turn Japan into glass - PLAN is still far too inferior by world's standard, whereas Japanese have the best manned and equipped navy in the region, conventional naval exchange will see NSF wipe out AGAIN, when you consider the NSF is the most mix-bag of the 3, and not the most advanced.

    The other two are unlikely able to back NSF because they'll be bogged down in their respective zones, to prevent other nations get any wrong ideas.

    A hopelessly inferior fleet, the only way for China to even the odds would be nukes.
     
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    I think Lord Vader is not going to be too happy with this topic...
     
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    Yeah, the fat pilot will shut this joint down soon I think...
     
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    More likely in 2013, not gonna happen this year.

    Leave a mark before this thread is closed.
     
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    Purchasing of the Islands is not likely to lead to a war. Instead, a severe downgrade of economic and diplomatic relations will result. But building on the islands and exploiting the resources in the surrounding area will lead to a war. China can win by attacking Japanese shipping. There is no reason to engage the Japanese naval forces on their home territory.
     
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    WWIII will not happen this year.
     
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    curious he left or largely briefed over the air war part.

    first and foremost this would be a contest between J-11/Flankers and F-15J. between F-2 and J-10. between KJ-2000 and E-767
     
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