The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

siegecrossbow

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I am sure that almost everyone on the forum heard about this incident by now:

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A South Korean navy ship sank today leaving scores of sailors missing and several reported dead, following an apparent explosion as it patrolled the disputed sea border with the North.

Seoul sought to play down suggestions the damage may have resulted from an attack by its neighbour, after claims that the ship may have been sunk by a North Korean torpedo. A presidential spokeswoman, Kim Eun-hye, said it was premature to say what caused the disaster, telling Reuters: "It is not clear whether North Korea was involved."

Defence officials said that the 1,500-tonne ship began to sink at 9.45pm on Thursday local time off the island of Baengnyeong in the Yellow Sea, near North Korea. Helicopters, naval frigates and coastguard vessels had saved 58 of the 104-strong crew by midnight. Local media reported deaths, citing an unnamed naval official.

The navy told the Yonhap news agency in a statement: "The ship appears to have begun sinking after an explosion at the rear of the ship. We have been unable to find the exact cause as of this moment."

A second South Korean ship reportedly fired at an apparently unidentified vessel sailing away from the area towards North Korea, although a defence official said movements on the radar might have been a flock of birds.

The South's YTN TV network reported that the government was investigating whether the sinking was due to an attack by the North.

Pyongyang has yet to respond to the incident. If it were involved, it would be a massive escalation of its longstanding tensions with the South. It would also anger the US and China, which have been hoping it is moving towards returning to stalled aid-for-denuclearisation talks.

Christian Le Miere, senior analyst in Asia for Jane's Country Risk, said: "It is still unclear whether this was hostile action. It could have been a mine or an accident involving explosives."

Selig Harrison, director of the Asia programme of the Centre for International Policy in Washington and author of Korean Endgame, said: "It's generally not understood that there's been a progressively growing crisis between North and South Korea. Now we're in a new situation and I've been afraid something would give, because the present government [in Seoul] has cancelled the basic premises between North and South."

He said Seoul had announced it would review the statements in which it repudiated policies of predecessor governments designed to bring about a collapse of the North and affirmed a relationship of coexistence. "That was really a fundamental step because to North Korea it means the south is going back to the policy of promoting collapse," Harrison added.

However, others had seen signs of some improvements in relations on the peninsula.

The Northern Limit Line has long been an area of tension. In 1999, at least 17 North Korean sailors were killed in a firefight there. Three years later, another clash saw six South Korean and an estimated 13 North Korean sailors die.

In November last year it saw its first exchange of fire for seven years in November, damaging vessels on both sides.

Le Miere said it appeared that the stricken vessel was the Cheonan, a Pohang class corvette commissioned in 1989.

"It is very rare for a ship of this size to be involved in a clash in the west … [if that is the case] it is a significant development in the engagements," he added.

President Lee Myung-bak called an emergency security meeting, reportedly telling his ministers: "Finding the truth [behind the incident] is important, but saving our soldiers is more important."

The two sides are technically still at war because the 1950-3 conflict ended with a ceasefire and not a peace treaty. Relations improved when the South introduced a "sunshine policy", but deteriorated sharply when Lee took office in 2008 with a pledge to be tougher, cutting off free-flowing aid.

In May last year the North claimed to have tested a nuclear device as large as that which destroyed Hiroshima, less than two months after a rocket launch which Tokyo and Washington believed was a test of long-range missile technology. Pyongyang said it was launching a satellite.

Many analysts believe the moves were intended to grab Washington's attention and set the stage for a return to stalled denuclearisation talks in conditions more favourable to Pyongyang. Bolstering support for the government and advertising technology to potential customers could also have been factors.

I am interested in what everyone has to say about this unfortunate event. Is the damage to Cheonan the result of a naval mine, North Korean torpedo, or internal explosion? How will the governments and militaries of China and the United States respond if the incident was, in fact, the result of a North Korean attack?
 

bd popeye

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I agree with the ROK..It was some sort of unfortunate explosion in the main machinery spaces of the ROKN frigate. If it were anything else this would be a full blown incident.

edit..07.25.2010..I was wrong..very wrong.
 
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rhino123

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Whether we will actually know the actual fact of what had happen to the ship... all will have rely on the the agenda for the governments of the South and North Korea...

Whatever it is, we have also to watch the attitude of Beijing and Washinton, for they are the two powers that might actually have some influence on what we will see and hear of North and South Korea.
 

Finn McCool

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It's possible that the ship was sunk by the North Koreans and for whatever reason no one wants to acknowledge it. Perhaps the South doesn't want a war to start. Perhaps the North fired on the ship, but got in touch with the South and told them that it was an accident, and it was covered up. I just think an engine explosion sinking a ship in that area, with North Korean ships nearby, quite possibly in the midst of a skirmish (nearby residents said they heard gunfire, and the other corvette that was out there engaged a NK ship shortly after the explosion), is too much of a coincidence.
 

rhino123

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Not quite an expert in the naval weaponry, but do the North Korean actually own anti-ship torpedo that can sink a corvette in a single strike?

I remember a couple of years ago, Iran fired a anti ship missile at an Israeli corvette and only managed to badly damage the ship... but not sink it.

Is the torpedo a more powerful weapon... unless the North Korean vessel managed more than one hit... however we only heard that there was a single explosion.
 

siegecrossbow

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Not quite an expert in the naval weaponry, but do the North Korean actually own anti-ship torpedo that can sink a corvette in a single strike?

I remember a couple of years ago, Iran fired a anti ship missile at an Israeli corvette and only managed to badly damage the ship... but not sink it.

Is the torpedo a more powerful weapon... unless the North Korean vessel managed more than one hit... however we only heard that there was a single explosion.

Very good point.

I have done a bit more research and uncovered some pretty interesting history. Here is what I found on Cheonan's wikipeda article:

History
Cheonan was launched in 1989.[4] The ship's primary mission was coastal patrol, with an emphasis on anti-submarine operations.[1] The Cheonan was one of the ships involved in the First Battle of Yeonpyeong in 1999.[5]

The First Battle of YeonPyeong was a previous naval incident involving North and South Korean in 1999. One North Korean torpedo boat sunk during the engagement and 30 North Korean soldiers were killed.

Although I believe that the sinking of Cheonan most likely resulted from engine explosion I don't think we could rule out the possibility of North Korean involvement. Does anyone know whether the North Koreans operate a naval "marine animals" program? Sea lions and dolphins armed with explosives could, theroretically, sneak up to a ship without being detected by the sonar.
 

Pointblank

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Not quite an expert in the naval weaponry, but do the North Korean actually own anti-ship torpedo that can sink a corvette in a single strike?

I remember a couple of years ago, Iran fired a anti ship missile at an Israeli corvette and only managed to badly damage the ship... but not sink it.

Is the torpedo a more powerful weapon... unless the North Korean vessel managed more than one hit... however we only heard that there was a single explosion.

A short story from my naval friends:

A junior rating asked a senior officer, after a missile attack simulation, why they did not practice being hit by a torpedo. The senior officer replied: "Why, do you want to practice being dead?".

Torpedoes are a considerably more powerful weapon; a missile attack, you can probably survive a missile hit and limp away. Torpedoes on the other hand will tear a very sizable hole in your ship, if not outright breaking the keel of the ship because the water acts to concentrate the blast towards the hull, magnifying the damage. It will throw everyone off their feet, injuring people, and severely damaging equipment as well.
 

rhino123

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A short story from my naval friends:

A junior rating asked a senior officer, after a missile attack simulation, why they did not practice being hit by a torpedo. The senior officer replied: "Why, do you want to practice being dead?".

Torpedoes are a considerably more powerful weapon; a missile attack, you can probably survive a missile hit and limp away. Torpedoes on the other hand will tear a very sizable hole in your ship, if not outright breaking the keel of the ship because the water acts to concentrate the blast towards the hull, magnifying the damage. It will throw everyone off their feet, injuring people, and severely damaging equipment as well.

which actually mean (correct me if I am wrong), there is simply very few or no ways a ship of corvette size could withstand a strike from a torpedo. If that is actually the case, I am wondering if anyone actually came up with the idea of sending a missile at the ship, and at terminal phase, dive into the water to release or act as a torpedo to zoomed in at enemy's ship?
 

bigstick61

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It seems that collision and a ROK mine were eliminated as potential causes of the incident (I think it was pretty obvious that it was not the former). The ship's officers and crew are saying that it was not an internal explosion, with one officer saying it was "impossible." Given what could go on that ship I really doubt it was internal, much less an internal explosion that occurred without warning.

It seems they are starting to throw around the idea of the Korean War era DPRK mine as being the cause, either one that has been drifting all the while or one which has recently come loose from its mooring. This is certainly possible, as is a more recent deliberate release of one or more mines (by submarine most likely); I don't believe a torpedo attack by surface vessels or submarines has been completely ruled out, either.

The whole explanation they tried to give after the initial reports has from the beginning sounded very fishy to me. ROK ships do not fire for 15 minutes at unidentified radar contacts; whether a flock of migratory birds (the only type which might be out at sea at night) would be mistaken as a surface contact for such a prolonged period is also questionable. Given the amount of friendly traffic there, I can't think of any navy comparable to the ROKN that would give such relaxed ROE. It makes no sense. If two ships were firing at the same target(s), this makes the claim all the more suspect (some reports state that the sunken ship also briefly opened fire).

It really sounds like an external explosion not the result of a blue on blue incident (and thus likely triggered somehow by the DPRK) was the culprit, and by now sufficient viewing if the wreckage should have taken place to be able to confirm or deny this. I think that the current approach by the ROK and US governments may be the result of political considerations, or even military ones (or both). The ROK and/or US may not want to have to retaliate against the DPRK or to see things escalate, and by placing the blame elsewhere, they can try to have this effect, although I am not sure how well it could really be kept a secret. Another possibility is that it is being used to buy time to consider all of the options while also trying to let the ROK public cool off. If the former is the case, then the blaming of the incident on a mine that was released or sewn a long time ago by the enemy would be ideal, as it prevents the government from having to escalate the situation or face the domestic political consequences of failing to do something about the attack, while also preventing the political fallout that would occur if this was blamed on poor maintenance or personnel incompetence. It would also probably end much of the speculation that has continued due to a failure to provide a concrete explanation so far and also due to the poor cover story the ROK government tried to give about flares, flocks of birds, and accidental explosions.
 
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