The S300 Delay Can Iran Still Trust Russia?

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    Hi all,


    Just finished my sixth vlog on Youtube called "Can Iran Still Trust Russia?" which deals with the purchase of the S-300 system and Russia's attitude vis-a-vis Iran.

    Just to be clear, this is not an attack on Russia, but rather a critical assessment of what has taken place in the last ten years between the two countries and the implications thereof for multipolarity.

    I am not *against* Russia at all but I do believe in healthy cooperation which has been damaged by past experiences.


    Let me know what you think:


     
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    It's not like Iran has a lot of options, other than Russia at the moment. It'd be interesting to see how far Russia goes in providing weapon systems to Iran, because at some point in Iran's steady efforts to impose its own sphere of influence, India would likely take exceptions.
     
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    wondering whether China would sell HQ-9 series to Iran
     
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    I doubt China would offer the HQ9 to Iran for fear of having been seen to interfere with Russia's sphere of influence besides China has enough two way non military with Iran as it is and there is nothing the Russians can offer much other then military support and weapons sale.
     
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    Not if it would royally piss off Saudi Arabia. China doesn't need that kind of trouble involving two of its major oil suppliers.
     
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    I am not familiar with the deal itself. But could it be that the apparent Russian "back and forth" approach to Iran a product of Russia's early time of hoping to please US therefor willing to "abandon" Iran under US pressure?

    We have to note that Russia was much more willing to collaborate with US up to the Ukrainian crisis. Many articles around that time screamed that Obama's policy pushed Russia to Chinese arms. I also heard that during the time of Boris Yeltsin, some Russian voices even talked about joining NATO, that idea even scared the Chinese. We also know that Russia is much weaker in terms of economy, so it is certain that she is more likely to bulge under US pressure, so the "back and forth". Although it does not change the fact of apparent "untrustworthiness", but it is understandable, and I think it is too much to blame the Russians for that as any other weaker countries.

    Sino-NK relationship can be a reference. I am sure China is untrustworthy in NK's eyes as much as Russia in Iran's eyes.


    That is what I think based on my limited knowledge of Iran-Russian relationship. So I see nothing special with Russia in this case.
     
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    By offerring HQ-9 to SA at the same time, that won't be an issue. Remember China was willing to sell HQ-9 to Turkey, wouldn't that be pissing off Iran?

    But I do agree with @KIENCHIN's notion of avoiding agitating Russia.
     
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    @arash_imv Thinking again, I agree that Iran has a legitimate concern of trustworthiness of Russia because of the way Russians act. The Russians usually take high profile acts. When needing a counterweight to US they tout about weapons sales to Iran, when they get something from US they back-step from Iran to fulfil their side of bargain. You can call that not trustworthy. On the other hand, take China as a reference, China always keep a low key approach, never tout about big weapon sales to Iran but doing it quietly as in the case of C-802, even after the UN sanction kicked in, China probably (I think) kept technical assistant to Iranian program of domestically built C-802 successor.
     
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    Diplomacy in the Middle East is extremely complex. It is in the interest of many countries, including Russia and Iran, that there will be no war. Ten years ago Russia was much weaker that it is now and its was trying to develop good relations with Saudi Arabia and Israel as well as US. This helped reduce tensions but didn't prevent the Israeli assault on Lebanon in 2006, the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia, nor the subversion of Syria that let to the current "civil war". The difficulties with the delivery of S-300 were a token in these complexities.
    Now Russia is stronger, an Israeli official said that Israel wouldn't shoot down a Russian aircraft even if it flew over Tel Aviv. Iran too is stronger. Iran will soon be a member of SCO. A railway between Russia and Iran through Azerbaijan is being developed. Iran is an important support for the Russian and Chinese interests in Iraq and Syria. In the current circumstances and in the foreseeable future Iran and Russia will be reliable friends.
     
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    delft did you loose your mind?
    please provide a link to this (so that the context and the circumstances could possibly be understood), or I would question your sanity
     
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