The Navy of Brazil

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    In addition to the US and Russia, and France and Brazil, the Indians (Viraat), the Spanish (Juan Carlos) and the Italians (Cavour) all have carriers that displace within a few thousand tons of the Sao Paulo...and they are more capable and better defended.

    Within a few years China and the UK will be added to that group having larger carriers as well...although I would bet on a carrier group centered around a UK Invinsible class carrier right now over one centered on the Sao Paulo if it came to comparing the two.
     
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    I would damn bet on the Brits if the carrier was invisible as well! Though it might be a challenge for the pilots when they are trying to fly back home! :rofl:

    Anyways, I would argue that due to the force structure of Brazil's navy, a carrier is not necessary for them; the money spent on buying and operating a carrier would have been better suited for buying more potent surface warships, and maybe an amphib.
     
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    Dang...a simple typo can make a world of difference in meaning.

    Just the same, I believe an Invincible class and its escorts and probale SSN acompaniment would locate the Sao Paulo well before the Sao Paulo group found the UK group.
     
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    Not to mention the fact that the FAA's Sea Harriers would send the poor old A-4s of the Sao Paolo down to the deck in pieces quite quickly, now that the are armed with AIM-120s and sensor equipment has improved since the Falklands.
     
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    Yes...sometimes when it rains, it pours.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I guess you get what you paid for. India paid more than $2 billion for the INS Vikiramaditya. Brazil paid a lot less than that for the Sao Paulo.
     
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    I thought Sao Paulo would be almost as capable as the modified Gorshkov (aka Vikramaditya)the Russians are building for India, considering Sao Paulo has catapults and Gorshkov doesn't. I guess I'm wrong.
     
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    If the Brazillians get a better aircraft, some better missile defense, and better escorts, she would be.

    The Indians will have decently outfitted Mig-29s, and capable defensive missiles along with much more capable escorts. That makes all the difference.

    Actually, the Sao Paulo is not a bad carrier at all...she needs the other equipment to go along with it so she can 1) project power in a modern combat environment, and 2) be adequately defended while doing so.

    If the Brazillians picked up a couple of more capable DDGs for ASW duties, and a couple of tstrong area defence AAW DDGs, or multi-mission DDGs that can do both...and if they then coupled that with a squadron better attack aircraft and a squadron of decent fleet defense aircraft, and maybe added two or three E2C Hawkeyes, or even some old E-1B Tracers, then the Sao Paulo would be much more effective.
     
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    Minor point but Sea Harrier is retired. Now RAF/FAA deploy Harrier GR9s to the carriers and only have Sidewinders for defence, much like the Brazilians. Where the Brits have a huge advantage is in the quality of the escorts.
     
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