However, correct me if I am wrong, but since the restructuring of AVIC beginning in 2008, this bomber project would fall under Avic Aircraft Divsion which is absorbing Shaanxi, and the civilian/bomber assets of Chengdu, Shenyang, and Xi'an. Remember, it is the intention that these old Mao era companies like Shaanxi, Harbin, Changhe...etc will be swept away and consolidated.
The Mysterious PLAAF's H8 & H9 Stealth Bomber... Rumour...? Reality...?
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The merging and un-merging of AVIC has happened so many times I've literally lost count. I imagine we would still call... say the Y-20 an XAC project, not an AVIC project though, just for the sake of accuracy.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
H-8 is a stealth bomber project that was reported as far back as 1997. As far as speculated specifications go, it's supposed to have a max speed of Mach 1.4, range of 11000 km, and weapons load of 18 tonnes.
Most articles state that the H-9 is an atmospheric bomber, similar to the Tu-2000, but larger.
It is speculated to use four WS-12 engines for takeoff and a ramjet engine for cruise.
It is reported to be under development.
Most articles state that the H-9 is an atmospheric bomber, similar to the Tu-2000, but larger.
It is speculated to use four WS-12 engines for takeoff and a ramjet engine for cruise.
It is reported to be under development.
FarkTypeSoldier
Junior Member
Is there any source for that ?
Red___Sword
Junior Member
When the time you heard any news (not rumours) of new generation of cargo plane, or even civic plane, that is the time for you to seriously consider the "when it will leak" question of the next gen bomber.
If military powers is keep building new rifle, you bet the military powers will keep building new bombers.
As simple as that.
If military powers is keep building new rifle, you bet the military powers will keep building new bombers.
As simple as that.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
There are hundreds.
I don't want to post everything here
So search up "轰8" and "轰9" in Google
Honestly that's ridiculous ! „a stealth bomber capable of Mach 1.3” and an “atmospheric bomber” “WS-12 … Scramjet-engines” … come on.
To think that there are two such advanced projects under development in parallel or even flying are for sure only fan-boys dreams. The J-20 is a great leap forward, but such a project is beyond anything even the US aviation industry could build … or at least afford.
Since I follow these rumors about a possible future H-8, H-9 or H-X I remember such stupid reports like a “scaled-up” F-117 build out of the crashed one from Serbia … there were reports about a “scaled down” Sukhoi T-4/T-4M development powered by three high-tech turbofans … .
I admit right after the unveiling of the J-20 may think “only the sky is the limit” but we should be realistic.
… and finally …
You really call these “links” a source ??? … come on again. If You believe everything what You can find in the net, the tiny little green men were helping the US to develop these super-duper-hyper bombers right that moment.
Deino
FarkTypeSoldier
Junior Member
I thought the J-20 is the new stealth bomber... HAR HAR HAR
I got a question. What's “克星” that it is referring to? "Anti-what"? Star?
EDIT : Don't worry I think I got it now. It means nemesis.
Wait, is that correct? B-1B has RCS 25 times smaller than Mig-29?!
EDIT: LOL, Today must be me answering my own question day. I found this :
B-52: 99.5 sqm
B-1A: 10.0 sqm
B-1B: 1.02 sqm
SR-71: 0.014 sqm
F-22: 0.0065 sqm
F-117: 0.003 sqm
B-2: 0.0015 sqm
FB-111 = 7 sqm
F-4 = 6 sqm
Mig-21 = 4 sqm
Mig-29 = 3 sqm
Rafale B = 2 sqm
B-1B = 0.75sq.m
B-2 = 0.1sq.m
F-117 = 0.025sq.m
So yeh, I think Sankei Shimbun got its source wrong.
Rafale figure looks very odd to me, it is much more close to 0.1 m² in clean config (given the requirement of 1/20 of the Mirage 2000 which was about 2m²).
Also, I don't know where you got your sources but B-2 Signature looks bogus, as well as the SR-71 (stealthier than F-22 ?? that's not logic !)
FarkTypeSoldier
Junior Member
1) Ok basically, this is what Mr Li Xiaoning's comments:
Modern stratgetic bombers, like the B-52, B-2, Tu-160 & Tu-95 need not fly into the enemies' territories to perform their bombing missions. As a matter of fact, as modern weapons get revolutionized and more sophisciated, these bombers act as an attack platform from long distance.
They could launch both conventional & nuclear weapons. They also have sophisicated radar and guidance syatems to achieve maximum destruction of enemies key targets of importance.
The H-6 series bombers, operated by PLAAF and PLANAF does not have these modern key requirements and are obsolete by modern standard. The PLA need a new generation of bombers which could perform the required tasks and standards as mentioned above.
2) Then comes Mr Ma Dingsheng's comments:
The H-6 bombers, have important combat missions in its theater of operations. In times of 'war' breaks out, the H-6s are to destroy enemies shipping ports, airports and aircraft carriers in order to achieve military advantage both psychologically and politically.
Thus, any new developments from the PLAAF's new generation bombers should have these views in mind.
3) Then comes another news of Japanese military estimated that PLA's strength will be shown and could overtake theirs in the next 5 years. But that is another story.
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