The military budget of China in 2007 financial year

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My logic is like your Fumanchu, i also don´t think that China will do an unprovoked attack on Taiwan.

I'm sure that China believes it will not launch such an attack, but that's because it reserves the right to decide what is "provocation". I personally do worry that China might kick off a war when it really shouldn't do.

As to the rest, we're not allowed to talk about politics here for a good reason, so I suggest you remember that for the future. Let's not divert away from the main topic, which is the Chinese defence budget.
 

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I do know that the discussion go of the topic and that it is against the rules.
The thing is that i could not make my position clear without talking about it.
Otherwise, ever it been of topic and politic issues, the things that were posted are know facts in world news so that i take the risk of been remenbered about the rules.
Anyway, back to topic and i keep my position that China military Budget is a normal budget for its economy size comparison.
 
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AmiGanguli

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I was only giving an illustrative example - I did not mean to imply any increase over 12% is unreasonable. But 12% is faster than the economy is growing, so obviously I couldn't believe what you alleged. I was talking about the ever faster rate of increase.

Ok, I guess that the issue then is that I don't see the "rate of increase" as at all important. If a country spent only .1% of GDP on its military and then increased this to .2%, this would represent a 100% increase! Who cares?

By the way, at 12% growth, it would take 35 years to double spending as a percent of GDP. Not an acceptable time frame for a 60-year-old leader who wants to see his policy implemented before he dies.

... Ami.
 

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It is simple why Chinese is increasing its military spending faster than the growth of GDP. From the Chinese perspective, they are just playing catch up. Just look at the Japanese navy, they have 45~ very advanced DDs. China, been a much bigger country, only have 25 DDG + 45 FFD. On top of that, 16 of the DDG are Luda and 30 of the FFG are Jianghu class. That means China only have 9 DDG and 15 FFG, a mere 24 realtive advanced ships. Chinese generals are going to at LST Osumi as light aircraft carriers not to mention the Indians actual aircraft carriers. In that area, China is behind her archrivals in the region. Assuming Taiwan's leader goes crazy and declare independence. Could the Chinese navy hold off a joint force of Japan + the 7th fleat long enough in case of an invasion. Probably not. Can the Chinese marine and the PLAN transport enough troops to set up a solid landing ground in one go? The answer is "maybe", but if you are an Chinese general, why take the chance. Building a strong and advanced military takes time and it does not matter what China do, her rivals are going to look at that as a threat. So, for the PLA generals, why don't use the opportunity to get as much budget as possible. Japan are fuelling the Chinese nationalistic spirt(the only consequence of its recent comments and the disputed Diaoyu island) and the constant nagging Taiwan issue. The general public are going to support the increase in budget. It's not like Chinese is spending 10% of her GDP on military projects.
 
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techno1911

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Why is every body saying the Defence Budget is growing too fast?

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"The revenue grew a year-on-year 26.3 per cent to 1.93 trillion yuan (US$232 billion) during the January-September period."

Shouldn't tax revenue be a true indicator on how much a goverment will and can spend on its military? All politics aside, unless we see china defence spending is out pacing the growth rate in revenue. Can any other nation real complain about it? After all people pay their tax for their nations defences (in the perfect world).

Besides the per capital spending (on defence) in china is way less then any other nation in the world. 56 billion on a 1.3 billion population? that is less then $56 per person!
 

Hendrik_2000

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In context of percentage of Goverment spending or percentage of GDP, China military expenditure is relatively modest.
Why is all the fuss. Why is it ok for country like Singapore who is not threatened by any one to spend 5% of its GDP and 30% of goverment spending for military budget and not China

US spend 5% of GDP for military expenditure So to ask China to keep it's military spending low while the rest of her neighbors arming themselves to teeth is just unreasonable

Japan has been spending consistently large sum of money over 30 years when she is under nuclear umbrella of US and has security arrangement with US


China's military budget to rise 17.8 percent in 2007
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China's defence budget will soar by a massive 17.8 percent in 2007, a senior official announced Sunday, as the United States said it wanted to know more about the Asian giant's intentions.

China's armed forces will get 350.9 billion yuan (about 45 billion dollars) for 2007, a rise of nearly 53 billion yuan over actual spending in 2006, said Jiang Enzhu, a spokesman for the National People's Congress, the legislature.

"In recent years, China has gradually been boosting its military expenditures," he told reporters at a briefing in Beijing.

"Our nation has all along rationally set out national defence spending by coordinating national defence with economic development."

Just hours after the announcement, US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, who was on a visit to Beijing, told reporters he would like to know more about what China plans to do with new military hardware.

"The way I phrase our concern is the concern about transparency and the desire to have a more extensive dialogue with China on what their military build-up involves, what the doctrine is that underlies it, and what their intentions are," he said.

Little more than a week ago, US Vice President Dick Cheney said China's military build-up clashed with its repeated claims to be a peaceful power.

Cheney cited a January ballistic missile test by China that destroyed one of its own satellites in space as evidence of the nation's increasing militarisation.

The new budget figures came a day after China voiced its opposition to US plans to sell 450 air and ground missiles to Beijing's arch rival, Taiwan.

A Taiwan government spokesman said Sunday the budget increase marked "China's rising threat" to the island, and that real expenditure could be higher.

Jiang, the Chinese spokesman, said the military expenditure would account for 7.5 percent of total government expenditure in 2007, compared with 7.4 percent in 2006.

"Overall, the proportion has been stable over the past few years," said Jiang, speaking ahead of Monday's opening of the annual session of the legislature, which is to approve the budget.

"The increases have been in order to make up for the weak basis of the nation's defence."

China's military expenditure in 2005 amounted to 1.35 percent of Chinese gross domestic product, compared with 4.03 percent for the United States, Jiang said."What I especially want to emphasise is that China persists in following the path of peace and development and in pursuing a defence policy that is defensive in nature," he said.

"China does not have the wherewithal nor the intention to engage in an arms race. China does not pose and will not pose a threat to any country."

China has increased its military spending by double digits nearly every year over the past 15 years, including 14.7 percent last year and 12.6 percent in 2005.

US officials have estimated China's annual defence spending at between 80 and 115 billion dollars, the highest in the world after the United States, and well above their stated budget announced in March 2006 of 35 billion dollars for that year.

Much of the funding is aimed at building a military force capable of reunifying Taiwan by force should the island territory claimed by China seek to realise formal independence, they said.

Jiang also reiterated that constitutional reform efforts by Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian were moving the democratic island dangerously towards formal independence, and warned against such moves.

"To resolutely contain the separatist activities of Taiwan independence forces and safeguard peace in the Taiwan Strait is the most important and urgent task facing compatriots on both sides of the strait," Jiang said.

China "will never tolerate an independent Taiwan and will never permit anyone under any form to split Taiwan from the mainland."
 
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Why is it ok for country like Singapore who is not threatened by any one to spend 5% of its GDP and 30% of goverment spending for military budget and not China

Lol, do I have to answer that question. Singapore is TINY, so needs to be able to have a disproportionate amount of force for its size. Otherwise it would be swatted away. On the other hand, China is so large it doesn't need to spend 5% of GDP on defence to stop an invading power.

So to ask China to keep it's military spending low while the rest of her neighbors arming themselves to teeth is just unreasonable

China now probably has the largest defence budget in the region (excluding the US, which isn't an Asian state) - even SIPRI's projections would support that.

Japan has been spending consistently large sum of money over 30 years

1% of GDP. I'll say it again - 1% of GDP. Given Japan had to worry about Russia, North Korea and China during the Cold War, I don't think that was disproportionate spending. Now, of course, it still has North Korea there causing trouble and China as a rising power.

when she is under nuclear umbrella of US and has security arrangement with US

Would you bank on another country saving your bacon when the going got tough? Besides the Americans would not be able to help Japan if its defence forces were rolled over by an aggressor because someone decided that 1% of GDP was "too much" for Japan to spend. :coffee:
 
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techno1911

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China $232.0 billion in revenue, $44.94 billion in defence (2007)
Japan $254.5 billion in revenue, $45 billion in defence (2006)

The china defence spending is just about the same as Japan's defence spending. Japan has the backing of US and probably NATO in its defence. China has NONE.

Japan is only one nation in ASIA, if one is to add up all the nations that China has to defend against, that budget number will be ridiculously large. It’s not fair to compare China's military beget to any other nation in the world other then US. After all China has to relies on itself for defence.

On a side note, US + NATO is about 70% all military spending in the world. Just to give everybody a scale of things. The rest of the world including china is with in that other 30%. So its kind pointless…
 

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Lol, do I have to answer that question. Singapore is TINY, so needs to be able to have a disproportionate amount of force for its size. Otherwise it would be swatted away. On the other hand, China is so large it doesn't need to spend 5% of GDP on defence to stop an invading power.

Singapore is not Israel. It does not face any real external threat.

Invading power? Does the US need to spend 4% of its GDP on defence to stop an invading power? ;)

1% of GDP. I'll say it again - 1% of GDP. Given Japan had to worry about Russia, North Korea and China during the Cold War, I don't think that was disproportionate spending. Now, of course, it still has North Korea there causing trouble and China as a rising power.

Would you bank on another country saving your bacon when the going got tough? Besides the Americans would not be able to help Japan if its defence forces were rolled over by an aggressor because someone decided that 1% of GDP was "too much" for Japan to spend. :coffee:

You are kidding yourself if you think Japanese defence spending would not increase drastically if it lost the military backing of the US.
 
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China $232.0 billion in revenue, $44.94 billion in defence (2007)
Japan $254.5 billion in revenue, $45 billion in defence (2006)

Those figures are rot. Even SIPRI says China spends more.

Japan has the backing of US and probably NATO in its defence.

NATO is not exactly in the best position to lend much aid to Japan, other than the US. And as I said, no one is going to bank on a country like the US getting itself dragged into a war to help them out.

Japan is only one nation in ASIA, if one is to add up all the nations that China has to defend against, that budget number will be ridiculously large.

What sort of nonsense thinking is that? Who is going to attack China? Japan - hardly any offensive weapons. Taiwan, South Korea, North Korea - too small militaries. India - not modernised enough. Russia - then why does it sell China weapons to help it modernise? China's neighbours have no reason to unite against it, so your point is irrelevant and completely laughable.

Singapore is not Israel. It does not face any real external threat.

The Singaporeans believe they need to spend a fair bit on defence. As such a tiny state I rather think it would be stupid to bank on the hope it never has to protect itself.

Does the US need to spend 4% of its GDP on defence to stop an invading power?

The US has global responsibilities/operations. China has no such commitment.

You are kidding yourself if you think Japanese defence spending would not increase drastically if it lost the military backing of the US.

Irrelevant - we're talking about today, not what might happen.
 
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