The long-awaited eruption of Anti-mainland tensions in Hong Kong

airsuperiority · Jan 20, 2012

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beautiful. couple points to note:
1. tensions with mainland has been cooking for a long time, but has recently finally erupted with this mtr incident
2. as hker, im completely insulted, but taking it apart, we must acknowledge certain valid points that he has made despite all the other invalid bigot crap he's said. it's true the handling of the issues towards the kids can be a bit more proper and that some people are racist against mainland chinese..but other than that, everything else he's spewed are wrong. it's simply amazing and surprising of how he discredit us in everything else
3. the fact that the chinese media can permit such hate speech to not only broadcast, but FINISH, demonstrates how weak the quality of their sense of quality of information. of all the censorship they have, they don't know when to actually properly use it?
4. this person is a full demonstration of how failed as a person in terms of characters despite his education background. didn't he know, he's representing not just himself, but his people when he speaks. he's simply a classic weak-link that hk despise.
Furthermore, we have every good reason to be proud and every legit reason to resent them. We climbed to success on our own. We took the British style and turned it into our own. We ranked 12th in the world for the global least corrupt index, placing the highest amongst entire Asia. We are the 4th IFC, after London, Tokyo, and New York. We represent ourselves in the WTO. We march and protest when we disagree, not make a mess. Our ICAC is the role model for others. We utilize our freedom of expression and press. We don't budge in line or throw tantrums in public. We took care of SARS on our own, even though it's a mess someone up north *cough cough mainland* brought to us. We survived GFCs and recessions after recessions. Our police professionally handled the South Korean protests during the WTO without the use of violence. We can get along with Taiwan, Japan, and others and treat each other respectfully. When we are upset about the handling of the Manilla hostage crisis, we don't retaliate on philippinos. Sure we dislike many mainland Chinese, but we still voted and cheered for the Beijing Olympics. Heck we don't even ask non-Canto speakers to speak Canto when they're in HK. Even Washington and the British treat us respectfully. As you can see, we earn other's respect by merits, not buy our way in.
Now tell us, why we shan't be proud of ourselves.
If you're reading this from HK, you will know this is because our freedom of expression allow you to do so.

Now as for mainland, the first question is, where were you when we needed you the most? Other than bringing businesses to us, many from mainland flooded our hospitals to the point we don't have enough services to provide to our own people. Not only that, these "immigrants" leeched off our welfare and social benefits while ungratefully insulted us. The kids peed in our MTR platforms while the adults spat everywhere. They cut in lines, then screamed at us for protesting against this action. The ones with wealth are even worse: either they try to bribe their way through a queue at the hospital, or worse yet, cooked up the housing prices so that many of those who actually need their own properties can't afford them.
We HKers are proud of who we are because we earn a good name for our ethnicity through role model behavior and hard work, but many in mainland brings disgrace to us all. Many around the world hate Chinese for not merely racism, but also because many Chinese, like the guy in the video, behaved even less civilized than domestic animals. Great way to reinforce the idea that we are stinking Chinese isnt it?

(from this point on he's probably referring to Kong, the guy in the video who made those statements) So much for being a descendant of confucius, you bring shame to us all and your ancestor. Quite a surprise that of someone who claims to be the descendant of a moral and upright philosopher of entire East Asia, he demonstrate all the opposites. Confucius says," I'm disappointed"

近幾天,網絡流傳著一條"香港人是狗"的短片, 內容不多說,未知的朋友先上youtube打"香港人是狗", 看了片再看這篇文.

面對高考的我,一個決定人生未來60年的考試, 我放下書本, 花小小時間打文章. 因為當社會道德底線被踩踏的時候, 個人利益應該先放下.

當我看完那條片,當我聽到"香港人是狗"這句話, 我沒有憤怒,反正不是第一次,而且不籍得. 我感到的是可悲.

可悲的是內地人到了異鄉不懂隨俗,可悲的是內地人硬要用自己的標準去否定別人的標準, 更可悲的是內地人的字典裡沒有了"尊重"兩字卻放大了"理所當然"這四字.

先指聲明,我沒有歧視內地人,我的母校有超過70%的人是內地人,我們相處得好好,大家互相尊重,我有很多內地的朋友.當他們初來港的時候不懂廣東話,我說我普普通通的普通話. 在港時間長了,他們會學廣東話,因為他們知道大家都是說這種話,生活起來會方便些. 先回應那位學者,語言的目的是溝通, 而不是區分人種, 可悲!

我所歧視的是不懂尊重香港人的內地人

入鄉隨俗天經地道, 你去美國看見黑人在街道上開腔大唱,難到你要去說他沒家教嗎? 我們的一次到訪沒有權利去改變別人整個文化吧? 相反, 我們更應欣賞他們的文化. 和而不同才是我們中國人最大的美德,我們最大的財富. 學者, 主是根, 客是本, 主客不分,可悲! 我不了解內地地鐵可不可以進食,但在香港在地鐵進食就是錯,錯就是錯,小孩大人沒有分別, 錯了,別人就是有權利去開聲指責. 對!香港人很少對美國人,日本人指責,因為我沒有看過他們到香港地鐵進食

做錯了沒有人怪責, 改了就好, 我相信香港人是會包容內地人對我們文化的不了解. 但從不悔改,變本加勵, 我們是不能接受的. 有這次地鐵罵戰我相信是香港人的忍耐到了極限. 片中我看見的是內地人惡人先告狀,可悲,但我希望的是,該位內地人不是智識階層. 可是, 當我聽完那位學者的言論, 一位智識份子竟可以合理化一件錯事, 我們可以看得出內地整個文化有深層次的問題.可悲!

作為一個公開的節目上, 學者說香港人是狗, 否定香港人過往的努力, 把香港成績視作內地的恩禓. 好!痛快!你讓我看出真正的中國, 一個瘸敗的中國. 原本文化上有差異, 接受需要時間, 但內地人從沒有尊重過我們的文化, 教我們如何尊重他們.

我不想完全回應該"學者"的每一句話,在我一個中學生的眼中,他的理據言論,很小學雞

共產主義原本是一個美好的東西, 馬克思絕對是天才,可惜他忘記計算人是自私的. 今日的中國,很可怕,但我更害怕它會變成明天的香港

當我們明白改變不了內地時,我們更要保護我們的核心價值, 一樣我們最有價值的財產.

民主不等如公投, 我眼中看到香港人開始曲解了它. 在我眼中,民主是"民心主導". 我看到的香港正在內地化,如果大家接受不了的, 走出來吧! 民心的主導是需要整個社會的人來支持!

一位90後的香港人上

p.s 如果你覺得香港人是時候捍衛香港的核心價值,請share

i wonder what you guys think of the incident and the videos, esp the response by that guy on the show and the netizen's response

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The following is an account by a Hong Kong resident who was embroiled in the incident.

On that day I was with my girlfriend at Hung Hom Station. All the seats in the cabin were taken. On one side was an adult and three children, on the other side were three adults with their luggage. Later, I saw the mother pouring some noodle snack into the hands of one kid, while the other two girls were holding some candies. The kid with the noodle snack spilt some on his clothes and on the floor. I used my limited Mandarin [standard Chinese of mainland China], pointed at the “No eating allowed” sign in the cabin, and told them: ‘Excuse me, you can't eat here’. What happened next was a round of defense. The mom said that only the kids were eating, that she was about to take it away, and that it was none of my business… I told her that I saw her eating as well… I knew I could not change their attitude and was about to shut up, but then her friends sitting opposite to her, sneered at me: “Their Mandarin is so lousy.” I got so angry and talked back in Cantonese: ‘My Mandarin is lousy! This is Hong Kong, you should speak in Cantonese!’ They kept on defending themselves in loud voices. A man in the cabin stood up by my side: “Shut up! It's so noisy here! Just keep on eating OK? How could you yell like this when you have done wrong? Should I call the railway staff?” As they continued to speak loudly, the man pushed the button to call staff when the train reached the next station. And I waved the railway staff over to take care of the situation. What happened next, you can see on the YouTube video.

Now we understand why the man was so mad

當天與女友在紅磡站上車，上車後近我的兩排位都坐滿人，一邊一個**大人三個小孩，一邊即是三個大人以及他們的行李。當時都不以為*然*；後來看到那個媽咪張一包童星點心麵倒進她旁的小孩手中，而*另外*兩個女孩則有一個拿著糖包。及後雙手捧著一堆點心麵的小孩*不小心*將一些灑到身上及地上。看到這個程況，我便以我有限的普*通話，指*著不准飲食的牌向他們說：不好意思，這裡不能吃東西。*之後…..*換來一輪啾呼叫。那媽咪說只是小孩子吃，以及正在收*起，問我為何*要多事…..我向他說剛才我都有見你放進自己口中*，你也有吃….*.其實講左幾句我都知冇結果，誰知這時他們對面*的友伴邊笑邊出聲*：佢地說得真是很差！我很火用廣東話同佢地講*：我係講得差！呢度*係香港人的地方，你同我講返廣東話。這時他*們有一句沒一句繼續講*，這時有位見義勇為的男仕出聲：收聲啦！*好嘈呀！繼續食呀好唔好*？自己做錯野仲嘈，要唔要叫職員呀？當*那班人還在嘈時，男仕在旺*角東站按著車門，等職員過來。而我亦*第一時間下車向職員揮手叫他*們過來。之後你地都響YTUBE度*見到晒

On that day I was with my girlfriend at Hung Hom Station. All the seats in the cabin were taken. On one side was an adult and three children, on the other side were three adults with their luggage. Later, I saw the mother pouring some noodle snack into the hands of one kid, while the other two girls were holding some candies. The kid with the noodle snack spilt some on his clothes and on the floor. I used my limited Mandarin [standard Chinese of mainland China], pointed at the “No eating allowed” sign in the cabin, and told them: ‘Excuse me, you can't eat here'. What happened next was a round of defense. The mom said that only the kids were eating, that she was about to take it away, and that it was none of my business… I told her that I saw her eating as well… I knew I could not change their attitude and was about to shut up, but then her friends sitting opposite to her, sneered at me: “Their Mandarin is so lousy.” I got so angry and talked back in Cantonese: ‘My Mandarin is lousy! This is Hong Kong, you should speak in Cantonese!' They kept on defending themselves in loud voices. A man in the cabin stood up by my side: “Shut up! It's so noisy here! Just keep on eating OK? How could you yell like this when you have done wrong? Should I call the railway staff?” As they continued to speak loudly, the man pushed the button to call staff when the train reached the next station. And I waved the railway staff over to take care of the situation. What happened next, you can see on the YouTube video.

There are two major reactions to the video in Hong Kong. Some criticize the lack of etiquette by mainland Chinese; and others feel there is no need to make such a big scene. The most popular comment on the YouTube thread is made by suilaam321:

@MrDrxchannel 請問你有看part1了嗎你有聽到片主被嘲笑嗎? 中國大陸沒這麼糟糕?也許是小部份人吧暑假最多中國大陸人來香港的時候我分別去了香港迪士尼和海洋公園但情況是無論去到那一個主題公園都會有大陸人插隊當然我沒有說全部大陸人都這樣也許你會說香港人也一樣但香港人一般被指責後都會乖乖排隊我遇到的卻是我只說叫他們不要插隊同行插隊的那個女人便開始發爛說前面有人幫排隊之類試想想如果每個人都這樣會有秩序嗎? 最後我只好找職員那個人卻理直氣壯說邊隻眼見到佢有插隊? 最後卻鬧多事以粗口相對請問這還又是否需要容忍?

@MrDrxchannel Did you see part One? Don't you see how the man was being mocked? Mainland Chinese are not that bad? Perhaps a minority of them are so. During the summer holiday when tourism from mainland China to Hong Kong peaks, I went to Disneyland and Ocean Park. No matter where I went, I could see Mainland Chinese jumping ahead in queues. Of course not all mainlanders are like that. Maybe you'd say Hong Kong people are the same. However, in the case of Hongkongers, usually when you point out their wrong doing, they would get back in line. When I asked a mainland Chinese not to jump the line, the woman when crazy and kept saying that others were jumping the queue too. If everyone does this, will there ever be order in society? I called staff. But the woman said there was no proof that she jumped the line, and cursed at me that it was none of my business. Do we have to put up with this?

As for the response from mainland Chinese, there are more moderate but critical ones, such as this one made by Wen Yunchao on Facebook [zh]:

港人很讨厌在地铁上吃东西的大陆人，因为地铁规定说不能在地铁上吃东西且吃东西的是大陆人；但港人不会讨厌在公车上大声讲电话一讲一路的港人，一则是因为没有规定禁止，二是因为讲电话的是港人。这些都与素质和文明无关。

Hong Kong people hate mainlanders eating in the train because according to subway regulations, it is forbidden. Moreover, it is mainlanders violating the regulation. But Hong Kong people do not hate people speaking loudly in public transportation, because there is no regulation against it, and it's Hong Kong people talking. This has nothing to do with etiquette nor civilization.

I hope now you guys understand what the resentment was all about.

"The guilty one being the loud one"<--That's what we typically experience, and hated the most.

ahho · Jan 21, 2012

Well one thing for sure is that the guy created a scene which is wrong. Pressing the stop button on the train just for this is already a wrong thing to do. If he were to educate them, he might as well bring it up to the media or internet to educate them. The tension between HKer and Mainlander in my view is actually not that big. It is just the most vocal people in HK that is creating a scene. One thing that the Chinese professor did said correctly is that HK mentality has now change, they always feel superior than Mainlander, but not tables have turn and mentality did not change. I have yet to see a White person being treated like this on the train. Also I would definitely question that guy, if he had used this action on HK people, who eat in the train, never give up your seat to the elder and the disabled or loud mouths.

People does not know rules sometimes, you just have to inform them letting them know that there is a fine. If they don't care, let it be. This type of so called righteous people have left starbucks coffer cup in the bus all the time.

One thing I learned when I was in my dad hometown in China is that, you can throw away anything on the street (not sidewalk), the reason being is that, there is no garbage can, but there is the garbage lady hire by the government to clean up, since they patrol the streets. Vocal people in HK, IMO, have never really lived in China long enough to understand their culture.

The comment section on the Chinese prof video is kind of funny, since a lot of HK people commented and for sure they probably don't understand Mandarin and the English subtitle, he was talking about the mindset of colony and also Shanghai was used as a comparison. The point that he want to put across from what I understand is that if you look down on your own race, you are a dog.

People from HK that has went out would definitely know that some HK people would “無理娶鬧” and creating scene. Younger generation sometime don't think what is right or wrong, they just think mainstream is always correct.

For the comments where they talk about pregnant women from mainland is taking over the space of local, I can sympathize a bit, but this is created by the health department and the new was blown out of proportion. The first thing we need to think about is how did Hong Kong hospital managed back in the 60s-90s when the illegal migrant from China is giving birth in HK. HK used to have a lot of birth and Hospitals could take in these people. Shortage of staff like nurse and doctor is caused by government, the education system and also the union which put in a cap on how many students can take the course.

one note that I want to comment is that the first video that broadcast the news, that channel is using a new way of broadcasting news (the fox news channel ways putting in deceiving comments also)

AssassinsMace · Jan 21, 2012

They're complaining about people eating on the MTR? I know someone who works for a San Francisco/ Bay Area metro system. Let's see... oral sex, masturbation, vomit, urination, spitting, and of course eating... all in public view of the other passengers.

It's sounds like they're trying to strike a cord with Western views on illegal immigration. Pretty petty especially like the commetator in the second video says that Hong Kong has become irrelevant and now they're dependent on mainland tourism to which they cheat like in the Third World stereotype. Hong Kong didn't want the Macau-Zhuhai-Hong Kong bridge built because they thought Hong Kong would just become a stop-over to get to Macau.

airsuperiority · Jan 21, 2012

you've made valid points. i agree that the mentality still exists, although as for the discrimination and prejudice part, i'd think it has to greatly to do with perceived or earlier built-in stereotypes as well as reinforcing actions, thoughts. caucasians had never been known to be so disorderly, while japanese are even known for being orderly and mannerful. with that said, they were provided with a benefit of a doubt initially unless significant evidence stick around for long enough for the thoughts to change. even then, there are no guarantees. for the same reason, both positive and negative stereotypes affect each groups equally, and in the case of mainland, it would be their unmannered actions. as for speaking against your own group, 2 things emerge: 1. the automatic assumption is that the other person is from china, not hk, therefore it's less likely to confront the other person as an in-group even if the perpetrator IS, indeed a HKer. 2ndly, the point again goes to that most of us in hk were raised to not behave in that manner, so we won't think the other person is a representative of the group, and in addition, even the nature of the act is a strong indication. if it's something bizarre and outrageous, the assumption goes against the mainland for that reason(there weren't many cases of hk kids peeing on the mtr platform, which is shameful and obscene. it's even questionable if tehre were even any known cases of hker doing exactly that at the first place

either way, odds against the mainland are as bad as western perception of china. since im from hk as well, i understand all the sentiments, and i think this incident was a unconscious built-up of our greatest worries that someday our society as a whole will deteriorate in terms of quality.

AssassinsMace · Jan 21, 2012

Well yes they're just perpetuating their own stereotypes. No one in Great Britain or the US or anywhere elses is going to believe they're nothing but Chinese. I always bring this up time and time again about how in the US we've heard about the rude Chinese tourist for decades. But Chinese mainland tourism outside China is a recent event. Obama just announced at Disney World how he's going to make it easier for foreign tourism especially the biggest spending tourist, the mainland Chinese, to visit the US. So these old stereotypes are the result of Hong Kong, Taiwan, and other Chinese that are living outside the mainland. Also I've heard bad behaving non-Chinese blame the behavior of their own people as being Chinese. Everytime I bring up the infamous Hong Konger woman temper-tantrum at the airport that was posted on Youtube... yes even there I've heard Hong Kongers try to say it was a Mainlander and not someone from Hong Kong.

airsuperiority · Jan 21, 2012

For that reason, I have always admitted that there is anti-mainland sentiments in HK, but do note that many are legit, and many are as a result of the classical case of stereotyping. Even being from HK myself, I get influenced by these sentiments often, because we really do fear or feel the threat of our standards being lowered by the likes of these people.

solarz · Jan 21, 2012

You know what? Hong Kongers should *NOT* be proud of this display.

I'll give this example: suppose the Toronto Subway suddenly banned foods in their trains. What would you do if you found someone eating on the trains and making a mess? Personally, I would do nothing because that is not my business. It's up to the employees of the subway to enforce the rules and hand out fines if necessary. At the most, I would inform a subway staff if I see one.

Making a scene like this is simply rude, counter-productive, and betrays a lack of understanding of civility.

If I was in the Hong Kong subway train, and my kid or wife was eating because they were hungry, and some complete stranger started yelling at them, I'd tell them to f--- off in no uncertain terms.

Furthermore, turning this kind of isolated incident into an excuse to bash mainlanders is nothing less than racism.

As for that Kong guy, I've never heard of him, but he's obviously got a chip on his shoulder. You can clearly see how awkward the female presenter is while Kong was talking.

But seriously, making a scene because there's some dried noodles scattered on the ground and on the seats? What kind of asshole makes a scene out of that, in front of kids no less???

I don't blame the mainlander parents for fighting back one bit. I'd like to see that "Hong Kong Hero" go to New York and yell at a New Yorker family for eating on the subway. See what kind of reaction he'd get.

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airsuperiority said:
For that reason, I have always admitted that there is anti-mainland sentiments in HK, but do note that many are legit, and many are as a result of the classical case of stereotyping. Even being from HK myself, I get influenced by these sentiments often, because we really do fear or feel the threat of our standards being lowered by the likes of these people.

I'm no stranger to that kind of attitude. My family in Shanghai is always going on about how all the 外地人 is making the city unsafe and how they are always trying to cheat people. While there are some truths to the gripes, this kind of attitude is neither constructive nor, ultimately, rational. Usually I just laugh it off. Honestly, from a Canadian point of view, this kind of narrow-mindedness says more about oneself than those being discriminated against.

(Of course, under the Harper government, Canada is starting to turn on its immigrant population as well...)

I'm quite familiar with the bad habits of many Mainland Chinese: spitting in public, talking loudly on cell phones, smoking in no-smoking areas, cutting in line, etc. etc.

I have no problem with condemning those bad habits. Once in Shanghai, a man tried to cut in front of my wife while she was talking to a cashier at the train station. I gave him an even look and told him to wait his turn.

However, I do have a problem with people using those bad habits as an excuse to express their bigotry, as is the case in *BOTH* videos above. Both the Hongkongers making a scene in front of kids for a ridiculously minor issue, and the Kong guy in the second video, fit the definition of bigots in my book.

As for Mainlanders going to Hong Kong to give birth... seriously, stop whining about it and just charge those people with the medical expenses. I don't know how the HK healthcare system works, but if it lets non-residents get free medicare so easily, then it's just a dumb system and deserves to get abused.

And in case you think I'm singly out Hongkong, every nation's got stupid policies. Take the Canadian refugee policy for example. No government, not even the Harper government, is willing to touch it, but it's the stupidest piece of crap ever, being abused daily by bogus refugee claimants and wasting taxpayers over a BILLION dollars annually.

So if a system is being abused, don't blame the people abusing it. Blame the people who came up with the system in the first place!

ahho · Jan 21, 2012

Well they said that some people have went out of the hospital without paying, and they have statistics stating that most of them got the service and run away The big issue wasn't this at all, it was pregnant people rushing to the emergency and taking up room in the hospital, even if they paid to the public hospital and PRIVATE HOSPITAL <--- yes someone complain about that.

The first video, I believe those channels are very deceiving as they pretend to broadcast news clip but add in their thoughts or comment. The second video that guy is going to the extreme, but he does have merit though.

To be honest, if you go to the street, not many people really have problem about mainlander, that is because HK last generation consisted a lot of mainlanders anyways.

Sometimes when we look back at this situation especially if you are from HK. FACEPALM is inevitable lol

AssassinsMace · Jan 21, 2012

The problem with Hong Kong is the supposed freedoms that the British left them haven't helped them with creating their own identity other than declaring themselves as "Hong Kongers." They could be the movie capital of Asia. They don't have those restrictive rules like mainland filmmakers have. They use to be pretty creative with what they had but now all they do is make ten copycat versions for every success that comes around. And now there's more potentional profits available with the mainland box office booming. I don't know what they expect with a new identity. Are they going to shoot themselves in the foot again like with the drama over the handover when all they did was scare foreigners out of Hong Kong isolating themselves?

legoboy · Jan 21, 2012

I like how this is a couple of people arguing on a train yet the title is labeled "Eruption of Anti-Mainland Tension".

So if a white person on a New York subway calls a black person a n11gger is it "Eruption of Anti-Black Tension"?

Overhyped over reported.

The long-awaited eruption of Anti-mainland tensions in Hong Kong

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