The long-awaited eruption of Anti-mainland tensions in Hong Kong

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    [video=youtube;wEComrx76uY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEComrx76uY&feature=related[/video]
    leading to...
    [video=youtube;a2uINfAKOxc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2uINfAKOxc&feature=share[/video]

    certain feedbacks found on the internet:


    i wonder what you guys think of the incident and the videos, esp the response by that guy on the show and the netizen's response


    http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/01/20/china-and-hong-kong-train-scuffle-ignites-cross-border-fury/


    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2836773/posts
    Now we understand why the man was so mad

    I hope now you guys understand what the resentment was all about.

    "The guilty one being the loud one"<--That's what we typically experience, and hated the most.
     
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    Well one thing for sure is that the guy created a scene which is wrong. Pressing the stop button on the train just for this is already a wrong thing to do. If he were to educate them, he might as well bring it up to the media or internet to educate them. The tension between HKer and Mainlander in my view is actually not that big. It is just the most vocal people in HK that is creating a scene. One thing that the Chinese professor did said correctly is that HK mentality has now change, they always feel superior than Mainlander, but not tables have turn and mentality did not change. I have yet to see a White person being treated like this on the train. Also I would definitely question that guy, if he had used this action on HK people, who eat in the train, never give up your seat to the elder and the disabled or loud mouths.

    People does not know rules sometimes, you just have to inform them letting them know that there is a fine. If they don't care, let it be. This type of so called righteous people have left starbucks coffer cup in the bus all the time.

    One thing I learned when I was in my dad hometown in China is that, you can throw away anything on the street (not sidewalk), the reason being is that, there is no garbage can, but there is the garbage lady hire by the government to clean up, since they patrol the streets. Vocal people in HK, IMO, have never really lived in China long enough to understand their culture.

    The comment section on the Chinese prof video is kind of funny, since a lot of HK people commented and for sure they probably don't understand Mandarin and the English subtitle, he was talking about the mindset of colony and also Shanghai was used as a comparison. The point that he want to put across from what I understand is that if you look down on your own race, you are a dog.

    People from HK that has went out would definitely know that some HK people would “無理娶鬧” and creating scene. Younger generation sometime don't think what is right or wrong, they just think mainstream is always correct.

    For the comments where they talk about pregnant women from mainland is taking over the space of local, I can sympathize a bit, but this is created by the health department and the new was blown out of proportion. The first thing we need to think about is how did Hong Kong hospital managed back in the 60s-90s when the illegal migrant from China is giving birth in HK. HK used to have a lot of birth and Hospitals could take in these people. Shortage of staff like nurse and doctor is caused by government, the education system and also the union which put in a cap on how many students can take the course.

    one note that I want to comment is that the first video that broadcast the news, that channel is using a new way of broadcasting news (the fox news channel ways putting in deceiving comments also)
     
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    They're complaining about people eating on the MTR? I know someone who works for a San Francisco/ Bay Area metro system. Let's see... oral sex, masturbation, vomit, urination, spitting, and of course eating... all in public view of the other passengers.

    It's sounds like they're trying to strike a cord with Western views on illegal immigration. Pretty petty especially like the commetator in the second video says that Hong Kong has become irrelevant and now they're dependent on mainland tourism to which they cheat like in the Third World stereotype. Hong Kong didn't want the Macau-Zhuhai-Hong Kong bridge built because they thought Hong Kong would just become a stop-over to get to Macau.
     
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    you've made valid points. i agree that the mentality still exists, although as for the discrimination and prejudice part, i'd think it has to greatly to do with perceived or earlier built-in stereotypes as well as reinforcing actions, thoughts. caucasians had never been known to be so disorderly, while japanese are even known for being orderly and mannerful. with that said, they were provided with a benefit of a doubt initially unless significant evidence stick around for long enough for the thoughts to change. even then, there are no guarantees. for the same reason, both positive and negative stereotypes affect each groups equally, and in the case of mainland, it would be their unmannered actions. as for speaking against your own group, 2 things emerge: 1. the automatic assumption is that the other person is from china, not hk, therefore it's less likely to confront the other person as an in-group even if the perpetrator IS, indeed a HKer. 2ndly, the point again goes to that most of us in hk were raised to not behave in that manner, so we won't think the other person is a representative of the group, and in addition, even the nature of the act is a strong indication. if it's something bizarre and outrageous, the assumption goes against the mainland for that reason(there weren't many cases of hk kids peeing on the mtr platform, which is shameful and obscene. it's even questionable if tehre were even any known cases of hker doing exactly that at the first place

    either way, odds against the mainland are as bad as western perception of china. since im from hk as well, i understand all the sentiments, and i think this incident was a unconscious built-up of our greatest worries that someday our society as a whole will deteriorate in terms of quality.
     
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    Well yes they're just perpetuating their own stereotypes. No one in Great Britain or the US or anywhere elses is going to believe they're nothing but Chinese. I always bring this up time and time again about how in the US we've heard about the rude Chinese tourist for decades. But Chinese mainland tourism outside China is a recent event. Obama just announced at Disney World how he's going to make it easier for foreign tourism especially the biggest spending tourist, the mainland Chinese, to visit the US. So these old stereotypes are the result of Hong Kong, Taiwan, and other Chinese that are living outside the mainland. Also I've heard bad behaving non-Chinese blame the behavior of their own people as being Chinese. Everytime I bring up the infamous Hong Konger woman temper-tantrum at the airport that was posted on Youtube... yes even there I've heard Hong Kongers try to say it was a Mainlander and not someone from Hong Kong.
     
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    For that reason, I have always admitted that there is anti-mainland sentiments in HK, but do note that many are legit, and many are as a result of the classical case of stereotyping. Even being from HK myself, I get influenced by these sentiments often, because we really do fear or feel the threat of our standards being lowered by the likes of these people.
     
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    You know what? Hong Kongers should *NOT* be proud of this display.

    I'll give this example: suppose the Toronto Subway suddenly banned foods in their trains. What would you do if you found someone eating on the trains and making a mess? Personally, I would do nothing because that is not my business. It's up to the employees of the subway to enforce the rules and hand out fines if necessary. At the most, I would inform a subway staff if I see one.

    Making a scene like this is simply rude, counter-productive, and betrays a lack of understanding of civility.

    If I was in the Hong Kong subway train, and my kid or wife was eating because they were hungry, and some complete stranger started yelling at them, I'd tell them to f--- off in no uncertain terms.

    Furthermore, turning this kind of isolated incident into an excuse to bash mainlanders is nothing less than racism.

    As for that Kong guy, I've never heard of him, but he's obviously got a chip on his shoulder. You can clearly see how awkward the female presenter is while Kong was talking.

    But seriously, making a scene because there's some dried noodles scattered on the ground and on the seats? What kind of asshole makes a scene out of that, in front of kids no less???

    I don't blame the mainlander parents for fighting back one bit. I'd like to see that "Hong Kong Hero" go to New York and yell at a New Yorker family for eating on the subway. See what kind of reaction he'd get.

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    I'm no stranger to that kind of attitude. My family in Shanghai is always going on about how all the 外地人 is making the city unsafe and how they are always trying to cheat people. While there are some truths to the gripes, this kind of attitude is neither constructive nor, ultimately, rational. Usually I just laugh it off. Honestly, from a Canadian point of view, this kind of narrow-mindedness says more about oneself than those being discriminated against.

    (Of course, under the Harper government, Canada is starting to turn on its immigrant population as well...)

    I'm quite familiar with the bad habits of many Mainland Chinese: spitting in public, talking loudly on cell phones, smoking in no-smoking areas, cutting in line, etc. etc.

    I have no problem with condemning those bad habits. Once in Shanghai, a man tried to cut in front of my wife while she was talking to a cashier at the train station. I gave him an even look and told him to wait his turn.

    However, I do have a problem with people using those bad habits as an excuse to express their bigotry, as is the case in *BOTH* videos above. Both the Hongkongers making a scene in front of kids for a ridiculously minor issue, and the Kong guy in the second video, fit the definition of bigots in my book.

    As for Mainlanders going to Hong Kong to give birth... seriously, stop whining about it and just charge those people with the medical expenses. I don't know how the HK healthcare system works, but if it lets non-residents get free medicare so easily, then it's just a dumb system and deserves to get abused.

    And in case you think I'm singly out Hongkong, every nation's got stupid policies. Take the Canadian refugee policy for example. No government, not even the Harper government, is willing to touch it, but it's the stupidest piece of crap ever, being abused daily by bogus refugee claimants and wasting taxpayers over a BILLION dollars annually.

    So if a system is being abused, don't blame the people abusing it. Blame the people who came up with the system in the first place!
     
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    Well they said that some people have went out of the hospital without paying, and they have statistics stating that most of them got the service and run away The big issue wasn't this at all, it was pregnant people rushing to the emergency and taking up room in the hospital, even if they paid to the public hospital and PRIVATE HOSPITAL <--- yes someone complain about that.

    The first video, I believe those channels are very deceiving as they pretend to broadcast news clip but add in their thoughts or comment. The second video that guy is going to the extreme, but he does have merit though.

    To be honest, if you go to the street, not many people really have problem about mainlander, that is because HK last generation consisted a lot of mainlanders anyways.

    Sometimes when we look back at this situation especially if you are from HK. FACEPALM is inevitable lol
     
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    The problem with Hong Kong is the supposed freedoms that the British left them haven't helped them with creating their own identity other than declaring themselves as "Hong Kongers." They could be the movie capital of Asia. They don't have those restrictive rules like mainland filmmakers have. They use to be pretty creative with what they had but now all they do is make ten copycat versions for every success that comes around. And now there's more potentional profits available with the mainland box office booming. I don't know what they expect with a new identity. Are they going to shoot themselves in the foot again like with the drama over the handover when all they did was scare foreigners out of Hong Kong isolating themselves?
     
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    I like how this is a couple of people arguing on a train yet the title is labeled "Eruption of Anti-Mainland Tension".

    So if a white person on a New York subway calls a black person a n11gger is it "Eruption of Anti-Black Tension"?

    Overhyped over reported.
     
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