The Korean war

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Hendrik_2000

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there are some facts here worth stating

1)Mao thought that he could get heavy Soviet industry by entering the Korean war, but as usual Stalin was a lying rodent and that Soviet heavy industry never came

2)Had China not entered the Korean war, North Korea as a country would not exist

3)Had China not entered the war then USA would not had taken such a tough stance on Taiwan and China could have taken back Taiwan in the 1950s or 1960s

the advantages to China were

1)It stood up to a Western power and equaled it, and hence established itself as a power in Asia and the world

2)It stopped Western influence in the region and protected itself from further wars by stopping USA at 38th paralell and not the Yalu river

3)China established a "buffer" zone from which it felt more safe and no threat of invasion could come from Korean lands

they say time will tell, well in this case time has told, North Korea exists and is a headache for the rest of the world more importantly China itself which created North Korea, so in conclusion China made mistake by entering Korean war because it became everything it wanted by economic policys and not military policys

today China is what it is because it embraced open door policy and intergrated into the world, this is something they should have done in 1950 and not isolated itself until 1979

no further argument about it

I don't agree with your opinion. To begin with China didn't enter the war because it want to be nice to Noko . China enter the war out of self preservation It has been consistent through the history .Namely providing a buffer zone for the heart land of the nation. 3 time in history China answer the call for help from Korea doesn't really matter whether it is Hideyoshi or Mac Arthur.

Your conclusion is also fault China need stability in order to grow her economy and provide better living standard for her people . Korea war prove once for all that you don't mess with China. Peace was maintained in Asia in the last 60 years allowing China to concentrate on developing her economy.

It also give China her dignity and self confidence back erasing once for all the label of sick man of Asia. "China has stood up" as Mao pronounced at the Tian An Men rostrum is not empty slogan

So all in all it is great sacrifice in life and blood that nation sometime has to take in order to grow and be left alone .

The proof is in pudding China economy is now the 2nd largest in the world and better thing still to come. Taiwan can wait assuming China take control of Taiwan in 50 China end up with another poor island of 20 million. By leaving Taiwan alone she provide capital and technology to China in effect becoming the conduit to channel technology and investment circumventing the embargo.
 

i.e.

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I don't agree with your opinion. To begin with China didn't enter the war because it want to be nice to Noko . China enter the war out of self preservation It has been consistent through the history .Namely providing a buffer zone for the heart land of the nation. 3 time in history China answer the call for help from Korea doesn't really matter whether it is Hideyoshi or Mac Arthur.

Your conclusion is also fault China need stability in order to grow her economy and provide better living standard for her people . Korea war prove once for all that you don't mess with China. Peace was maintained in Asia in the last 60 years allowing China to concentrate on developing her economy.

It also give China her dignity and self confidence back erasing once for all the label of sick man of Asia. "China has stood up" as Mao pronounced at the Tian An Men rostrum is not empty slogan

So all in all it is great sacrifice in life and blood that nation sometime has to take in order to grow and be left alone .

The proof is in pudding China economy is now the 2nd largest in the world and better thing still to come. Taiwan can wait assuming China take control of Taiwan in 50 China end up with another poor island of 20 million. By leaving Taiwan alone she provide capital and technology to China in effect becoming the conduit to channel technology and investment circumventing the embargo.

1) NE China was the heavy Industrial Base that reconstructing plan dependent on. with a American Army sitting across yalu there is no way in hell that plan would be realistic.

2) Korea has been used by seaborne powers as a spring board for invading Asian mainland for last couple hundred of years. Many forget but the first sino-japanese war was primarily fought over korea, and I would argue the decisive factor that determine the outcome of the war was still the land war fought in Korea, all with the consequence that China still bares in 1949. There is no way China can allow such security threat to materialize, never again.
3) The communists in CHina didn't want to fight the war initially, but upon seeing their warnings and interest being ignored and McArthur went straight up to Yalu. and Dandong across the river was bombed. There is no choice but to act. Americans wouldn't believe chinese would fight, China had no credibility. so the line has to be drawn. Credibility has to be built in order to prevent the next war being fought in CHina.
 
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plawolf

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Digging up an old thread, because I got into an argument on some other forum about the performance of Chinese soldiers in the Korean War.

I did a little googling to back up my arguments with some sources, and found
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If you check the references in this paragraph, the sources are almost all American. This shows a huge disconnect between scholars/historians and the general public on the understanding of the Korean War.

Almost every lay person in the West, including many who have served in the military, believe that China had an overwhelming numerical advantage in the Korean War. In fact, the Chinese + DPRK side had roughly the same strength as the UN + ROK side. Talk to these people about the Korean War, and they invariably paint a picture of US marines holding off "hordes" of "poorly equipped and poorly trained" chinese soldiers.

In fact, this stereotype is so deeply entrenched that even today, most Westerners think that China's army is huge but antiquated, consisting of millions of ill-equipped and poorly trained drafted peasants.

As a regular visitor of sinodefenceforum.com, it was easy for me to forget just how ignorant the general public is about the Korean War and the Chinese Military.

It is a typical psychological coping mechanism to try and be-little the achievements of others when that paints yourself in a bad light in comparison.

A sense of superiority over all non-Caucasian has long been, and continues to be a core belief in almost all western cultures and countries.

Many individuals strive very hard to rise above it, but the mere fact they have to try so hard shows that such sentiment exists, and often it is so ingrained and subtle most people would not recognise it unless they were on the receiving end.

Hell, I have seen it often enough that even suggesting such a thing would be mocked as having some sort of inferiority complex, yet the people making such childish acquisitions often seem to lack the intellectual capacity to realize they have just made the point of those they thought they were mocking.

It is because of this underlying belief in their superiority that the west has found the rise of China and all of its people's accomplishments so hard to swallow, and why so many seem so instinctively hostile to it.

It is not because of communism. Most people who use that pathetic excuse does not even seem to understand what communist actually means and stands for, never mind being able to recognise that China is now far less 'communist' then many developed western European countries a lot of these same people view with great respect and not a little envy because of their greater equality and social security.

This is why most western journalists and historians take almost gleeful delight in shinning the biggest light they can possible conjure up on any perceived fault or flaw with Chinese achievements or strategies.

The reason why 'human wave' stories find so much traction in mainstream western circles is because they are desperate to find any excuse or reason to explain how a 'poorly equipped, trained and lead peasant army' that they have dismissed as a pushover for so long could not only stand up and fight them head on in major engagements, but win.

It is no co-incidence that the Korean War is also the 'forgotten war'. When the west cannot choose to ignore or forget it, it seizes on any excuse to explain their failure and humbling without actually admitting that they might have just been outfought. Because that would set them on a 'slippery slope', since there was no way they could convince even themselves that the PVA won through superior weapons or firepower, and if it turns out they didn't have a massive numerical advantage or took many times more casualties, well then, the only possible explanation left would be that Chinese generals out-thought their western counterparts, and Chinese soldiers out-fought their western counterparts with inferior weapons,equipment and with only the supplies they could carry on their backs.

Why, to admit that would be to admit that the Chinese were actually the better man during the Korean War, and that is pure heresy! And something mainstream western culture would likely not be able to fully accept in our lifetimes.

But I say, so frigging what to that?

The Chinese people knows where we started, what we have been through and what it has taken to get to where we are, and what it will take to get to where we want to be. We do not need the approval of the west to appreciate or validate our achievements.
 

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You know, Everytime this forum starts discussing Korea the same things happen no matter what crew is posting..So now this thread is headed down the road of perdition. So guess what?

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