The Greatest Emperor: Qin Shi Huang.

KYli

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mindreader said:
Buddy, you got the chicken and egg problem wrong. The Mings did not become weak because of Japanese pirates. It got troubles from Japanese pirates because it had become weak.
Hi mindreader, welcome to SDF.

Actually I already answer this question from my replies to Troika, you should check the post number 41.:) But I didn't said that Mings got weak because of pirates, my implication was that the pirates were one of the main reasons for the ban of trade.
 
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mindreader

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Its ok, welcome to the forum by the way.
Feel free to introduce yourself in the "New member's introduction thread." We'd like to know more about you! :) :nana:

Thanks. Will do.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
MIGleader said:
I kinda got the impression he was insane...wanting to prolong life. Btw, his name is just Qin Shi. The last two parts, Huang di denote "king".

You must realise this guy killed more people than Caesar and hussein combined, in both wars and the building of the wall.


MiGLeader:

I don't know why your name is marked with *Banned*, may be you're banned for posting... I don't know.

But I'd like to remind you that Qin Shi Huang is not a name. It's his title! Qin is the name of the dynasty, Shi Huang mean first emperial. So, he was the first man who set up the first imperial system in China, and his real name was "Ying Zheng".
 
He finds it amusing to change his title to, "banned." As a senior member :roll: , he is allowed to edit his title to say whatever the hell he wants it to say. :mad:
 

DarkCLoud

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Qin Shihuang is one of the greatest emperor of China. When young, he was under the control of the prime minister and his mother. he manage to seize power back and started his plan to conquer the other six states.

Due to the harsh law of Qin, qin is the strongest among other states, after "Shang Yang's changes of the law". after the unification of china, the law was made even tougher to prevent rebel from the other six conquered states.

the killing of zhao civilians is due to the bad blood between qin and zhao.
during qin zhao wang ruling, qin attack zhao and killed over 400k zhao troops.
Zhao civilian hated qin to the core. when ying zheng was young, he suffered great humiliation as a hostage together with his mother in zhao. this caused his hatred to zhao. so when ying zheng attack zhao, zhao due to their hatred to qin, put up a hell of a fight. therefore, when ying zhao conquered the capital of zhao, he ordered the massacre of zhao people.

Qin Shihuang may be cruel, but at that time, cruelty is one of the reasons he unified china.
 

sumdud

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Yes, I meant Zhao.........

That's what happens when you are outside China, your pinyin sucks, and world history is poorly covered.

OK, welcome to the forum, Mindreader. Please introduce yourself at the Clubroom and read the forum rules. The quote button looks like a yellow talking button w/ a tail and some lines in it.

And I don't really like Qin Shi Huang. Other than the unification part, I find much of his reign like that of...............Cambodnia back in '76...........

It's amazing that he did not even inherent his throne by blood. I mean, what's his step-dad doing?!
 

mindreader

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sumdud said:
Yes, I meant Zhao.........

That's what happens when you are outside China, your pinyin sucks, and world history is poorly covered.

OK, welcome to the forum, Mindreader. Please introduce yourself at the Clubroom and read the forum rules. The quote button looks like a yellow talking button w/ a tail and some lines in it.

And I don't really like Qin Shi Huang. Other than the unification part, I find much of his reign like that of...............Cambodnia back in '76...........

It's amazing that he did not even inherent his throne by blood. I mean, what's his step-dad doing?!

Apples and oranges. Cambodia was a tiny country and still is a tiny country. Its people share much more of common heritage than "Chinese" people three millennia ago. Whereas Cambodia in '76 can be described as a stage of multiple warlords, China during the early times are distince countries with different culture, heritage, language, etc. The two cannot be made into common comparison.

A far more suitable comparison would be China and Europe. For example, if the Greeks and Romans had the strength of culture to keep their empires together, that would be a western version of China today. Thus, you are selling the first emperor far short of what he deserves.

Not to mention the man is an administrative genius. Much is made of his conquests and little made of his other achievements. To ignore this is to be short sighted. Overall, I'm not certain that he is the greatest (the topic being subjective and all) but he certainly is right up there. Hell, he would even be right up there in the entire world, not just China.

Furthermore, regarding his bloodline, I suppose you are referring to Lu Buwei. Let me remind you that it is nothing more than a myth. There was never any evidence to suggest its truth thus I don't think it holds much water.

But even it were true, it says nothing about Zichu's intelligence. You get a woman, she gets pregnant 12 months later and you are supposed to doubt the kid is yours?
 
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SteelBird

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mindreader said:
Apples and oranges. Cambodia was a tiny country and still is a tiny country. Its people share much more of common heritage than "Chinese" people three millennia ago. Whereas Cambodia in '76 can be described as a stage of multiple warlords, China during the early times are distince countries with different culture, heritage, language, etc. The two cannot be made into common comparison.

A far more suitable comparison would be China and Europe. For example, if the Greeks and Romans had the strength of culture to keep their empires together, that would be a western version of China today. Thus, you are selling the first emperor far short of what he deserves.

Not to mention the man is an administrative genius. Much is made of his conquests and little made of his other achievements. To ignore this is to be short sighted. Overall, I'm not certain that he is the greatest (the topic being subjective and all) but he certainly is right up there. Hell, he would even be right up there in the entire world, not just China.

Furthermore, regarding his bloodline, I suppose you are referring to Lu Buwei. Let me remind you that it is nothing more than a myth. There was never any evidence to suggest its truth thus I don't think it holds much water.

But even it were true, it says nothing about Zichu's intelligence. You get a woman, she gets pregnant 12 months later and you are supposed to doubt the kid is yours?

I think there's nothing wrong for you to call Cambodia as a "tiny country", yeah, it's still a tiny country today. But as I understand, what he meant to compare the Qin's to Cambodia in '76 (Khmer Rouge Regime) was the massacre. But again, I think it's not right to make such a comparison. The Qin's led the country with harsh law the led to massacre. But the Khmer Rouge killed people just for killing, or we can say for no reason!!!
 

Gaginang

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SteelBird said:
I think there's nothing wrong for you to call Cambodia as a "tiny country", yeah, it's still a tiny country today. But as I understand, what he meant to compare the Qin's to Cambodia in '76 (Khmer Rouge Regime) was the massacre. But again, I think it's not right to make such a comparison. The Qin's led the country with harsh law the led to massacre. But the Khmer Rouge killed people just for killing, or we can say for no reason!!!

it is completely wrong to call cambodia a tiny country, in the time of cambodian empire, Guongdong, sichuan, vietnamese north and south, laos, thai, seame, burma, mon, malay and bits and peace of bangladash is cambodia.

3 millions cambodia died mostly from starvation, diseases and hatred for rich ethnic chinese, naturally cambodia only grow rice once a year to feed its peoples, in the time of Moas backed PolpoT(half chinese/haft cambodia)cambodian grew rice 3 seasons in one year, but most of the food we ship to china. those dies there cham (native of southern vietname), Chaoren (gaginang) ethnic chinese, vietnamese, and cambodia. chinese ultimately have responsibility of the masaccre.

Let go back to topic again, Qin shi Huang is not the greatest, i believe confusious is greatest because his values is still follow by chinese around the world. in term of atrocity Qin shi Huang killed far less than the time of the crazy christain rebel in the time of the taiping.
 
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sumdud

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I think there's nothing wrong for you to call Cambodia as a "tiny country", yeah, it's still a tiny country today. But as I understand, what he meant to compare the Qin's to Cambodia in '76 (Khmer Rouge Regime) was the massacre. But again, I think it's not right to make such a comparison. The Qin's led the country with harsh law the led to massacre. But the Khmer Rouge killed people just for killing, or we can say for no reason!!!
Yes, I was pointing to the Khmer Rough, but no, they did not Cambodnian comrades for nothing. They were worked to death (like those working on the Great Wall) or killed by unit......721? (Please correct me) because they were accused of being traitors (like Qin Shi Huang had any direct direct traitors. He killed people too for suspecting them of being traitors.)
Qin Shi Huang's killings might not be as large of a scale, but I think it's a good comparison though.
 
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