And not just these two ships. The Luda is upgraded as well. I'll have to check again about the Luda III, but it appears to have been given some added life. Not bad for an old design. And if I'm not mistaken, PLAN still makes good use of the jianghu's and jiangwei's. Both respectable for what their purposes are.
the future of the jinaghus and jiangweis
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FriedRiceNSpice
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China has to import steel to meet its construction demands, and prices are rising.
Also, just melt it down and 30-year steel is as good as new. Remember, technically all steel are 6 billion year old steel, since they've always been in the earth.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
China is roughly self-sufficient in steel. China is both the world's largest producer and the largest consumer of steel, producing/consuming about 1/3 of of the world's steel.
FriedRiceNSpice said:
Steel is not a naturally occuring material. It is a man-made alloy of Iron and carbon(usually with small ammounts of other elements as well).
PiSigma
"the engineer"
and also depends what kind of steel you are talking about. martensite, sphereodite, pearlite, etc. steel production is different for every grade of steel, the quenching could get very difficult for some. also, good steal nowadays is not just iron and carbon anymore, for example 304 grade stainless steel (the most common stainless steel) is composed of carbon, manganese, silicon, potasium, sulphur, chromium, molybdenum, nickle, nitrogen, and iron. even within 304 grade, there are basic 304, 304H and 304L. with totally different tensile strength, yield strength, hardness and elongation. not every steel mill in a country is going to be producing a single kind of steel, they probably specialize in one kind depends on market. so to say that all steel is 6 billion yrs old is false. china can meet her depands for certain grades of steel, but can't for others. that's y china exports and import steel. export the excess steel she produce and import the steel she needs.
eg. tensile strength for 304 is 205MPa, 304L is 170MPa <---- huge difference
eg. tensile strength for 304 is 205MPa, 304L is 170MPa <---- huge difference
Mazepa
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Did they not ship all the steel from the WTC disaster to china? I guess they could use it to make their national defence even bigger. I am sure they want to protect their country as much as every other country does, so then you need to stop all intruders from entering your borders...
DPRKUnderground
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Gollevainen said:
On Globabl Security.org it says that Thailand had to basically rebuild them b/c of poor construction by the Chinese, but did they add new systems?
Well it propaply means the normal looking jiangjus that are operated by Thailand, Chao Praya class....
The Jiangweis are good frigates. They don't need to be upgraded at all and can stay for quite a while. In fact, it and the type 54 don't really have much significant differences as of now other than CIWS and stealth.
Well, at least the JiangWei 2s. But you can upgrade the JiangWei1s into 2s likely.
As for the Jianghus, I say cannabalize them.
You can scrap all of them because they still are of a considerable amount and scrapping them will leave you with too little boats. But right now, those ships, being of bad walls and quality, are just sucking up your money.
I say to scrap all Jianghu-1s, take their PL-8H/9D SAM and install them on Jianghu-2s and 3s. (Which has manual AAAs.) Enclose the cabins of the Jianghu-2s (No NBC.) Upgrade SSMs to C-802 and SY-2s.
Well, at least the JiangWei 2s. But you can upgrade the JiangWei1s into 2s likely.
As for the Jianghus, I say cannabalize them.
You can scrap all of them because they still are of a considerable amount and scrapping them will leave you with too little boats. But right now, those ships, being of bad walls and quality, are just sucking up your money.
I say to scrap all Jianghu-1s, take their PL-8H/9D SAM and install them on Jianghu-2s and 3s. (Which has manual AAAs.) Enclose the cabins of the Jianghu-2s (No NBC.) Upgrade SSMs to C-802 and SY-2s.