The Boxer Rebellion 1900-01

Bltizo said:

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Bladerunner -- re the whole hello kitty thing (lol), I think A mace is referring to one of your posts a year or so back when you said a NZ radio station was saying how asian girls playing "chicken" on the roads were just waiting to get splattered along with their hello kitty shirts (or something along those lines). The tone you wrote it in, or at least the way I read it was a bit mocking and spiteful, but I'm not sure what point A mace is making exactly.

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ok thanks, however the whole line including the "Hello Kitty T Shirt" was part of the radio hosts comment not mine.
Interesting how you remember me saying the radio host said were playing "chicken" while AM. says they were innocently crossing the roadand posed no threat. But thats AM for you, nothing surprising there.
I dont think i was being spiteful. I was angry more than anything else. I think I also told you I had a close call with them, and I think people playing chicken with traffic moving at speeds 80-100kph in poor visibility should be belittled.



But I think this is a good thread -- I'm learning things about this era I never knew before. It's a shame these less well known portions of history aren't shown on the history channel or nat geo or what not... instead they tend to focus on WWII half the time :/

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Yep Hendrick is a Indo Chinese I gathered from another forum he participates in. I certainly give him respect for acknowledging that the Chinese brought dislike on themselves by their own actions rather than seeking to blame someone else

Oh so the Chinese population were for the actions against the Boxer Rebellion so the colonialists felt it was okay to to action against those against their oppressive rule. And Native Americans also liked being killed and Africans were begging to be slaves. That's what makes it okay to slaughter innocent people in Indonesia.

bladerunner said:

Yep Hendrick is a Indo Chinese I gathered from another forum he participates in. I certainly give him respect for acknowledging that the Chinese brought dislike on themselves by their own actions rather than seeking to blame someone else

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No you are wrong.I didn't say that. You misinterpret my post Why should you blame Chinese?. It the Dutch who colonize Indonesia. The Chinese become easy scape goat to deflect blame from the corrupt official

You think corruption is bad in China at least they lift 400 million people out of poverty wait until you read this

Hendrik_2000 said:

No you are wrong.I didn't say that. You misinterpret my post Why should you blame Chinese?. It the Dutch who colonize Indonesia. The Chinese become easy scape goat to deflect blame from the corrupt official

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In post 51 you stated "that is the reason why they are hated because they are considered as comprador to the Dutch"

using one of A.Mace favourite turn of phrases "No one held a gun to their head to make them do it" SO in that sense they were the authors of their misfortune in becoming despised.

solarz said:

Kind of explains why you're trying to justify a genocide. Again.

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REality? Lets draw some parallels within the context of this debate.very briefly

1/ China currently has Tibet through force of arms in much the same way the West got China in the 19th century
2/ It is forcing its beliefs onto the Tibeteans in much the same way as the west did on China with the Christians etc
3/ The Tibeteans opposed the Chinese presence and way of doing things hence 2008. China showed its distaste for the West presence and ideals by way of the Boxer reveloution
4/Both were brutally put down


I'm darned if i can see how suggesting that China played a part in SE Asia that resulted in the anti communist massacre in Indonesia meant I condone genocide.
Somewhere in the bowels of my computer is some referenced views to what happened in Indonesia. I'm unable to post it because the rebuttal of some aspects does not meet what Popeye would consider respectful language and thus requires some serious editing. However if i think its appropriate I will post it.
From memory I think the author claims (with evidence) that the Americans did try to get the Indonesians to stop the slaughter through diplomatic pressure.
1/Ethnic Indoneasians formed the greater number killed
2Most of the killing was done by people at grass root level.

That is Ethnic indonesians were using the oportunity for some payback towards the Chinese
3/ Militia and the para military rather than the army were involved in the killings.
What I meant by My suggestion of the Chinese getting involved after the killing started , was their inability to extract large numbers of their citizens through lack of resources. You can compare what they were seriously able to do then with the efficient manner they were able to extract their citizens from Libya 2011.

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At least the Americans used their compensation paid to them after the Boxer Rebellion to establish the Boxer Rebellion Indemnity Scholarship in which many Chinese went on to benefit from , most notably Qian Xuesen, who without his knowledge the Chinese may be futher behind in their rocketry and other space knowledge.

using one of A.Mace favourite turn of phrases "No one held a gun to their head to make them do it" SO in that sense they were the authors of their misfortune in becoming despised.

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More hypocrisy as usual. You don't think that applies to the so called innocent Western civilians during the Boxer Rebellion. You just keep digging bigger holes for every one of your arguments.

Again no proof of anything you claim except you say someone wrote it. Americans tried? Is that like expecting to be rewarded for not coming over the hill to the rescue. You make excuses for saving the rebels in Libya but didn't do anything for the Chinese in Indonesia. And as you would put it... the West was never known to be kind to the people they colonized. They were the only ones to ever literally try to take over the world. Did the Chinese? Nope. And somehow you want to make the Chinese out to be worse. What a joke. Next thing you'll know is China will be blamed for the African slave trade. How? Because if the West didn't do it, the Chinese would've been worse. So you should in fact be rewarded because you guys saved Africans from a far worse fate in the hands of the Chinese. Or how about if someone to your liking killed somebody, they shouldn't be charged with murder because the Chinese would've murdered them more. Yes that's how absurd the logic you've been promoting in here.

Your rant has absoulutely no relationship with what you are quoting. As its becoming increasingly unintelligible and repetitive, I wont waste time in replying to your posts on the matter.

Futhermore I think I hoisted you with your own petard with my previous post. lol

Deja vu. Heard that before when you can't think of anything to defend your logic. Who was the one caught resorting to lying about an invasion of Chinese chicken exports invading the US. Again if you were so right, you wouldn't have to lie would you?

Hendrik_2000 said:

Instead of exploiting the Chinese facilitate trade,founded city, built the sugar industry and clove cigarette industy. Most of them serve in Dutch civil servant. That is the reason why they are hated because they are considered as comprador to the Dutch

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bladerunner said:

In post 51 you stated "that is the reason why they are hated because they are considered as comprador to the Dutch"

using one of A.Mace favourite turn of phrases "No one held a gun to their head to make them do it" SO in that sense they were the authors of their misfortune in becoming despised.

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Quoting out of context? Now you're just trolling.

Did the indo-Chinese enjoy extra-territoriality? Were they immune from punishment even if they did murder and rape? The Westerners in China did. And so did any bandit who joined the Church.

Funny how your ilk always ignore that "little" detail.

solarz said:

Quoting out of context? Now you're just trolling.

Did the indo-Chinese enjoy extra-territoriality? Were they immune from punishment even if they did murder and rape? The Westerners in China did. And so did any bandit who joined the Church.

Funny how your ilk always ignore that "little" detail.

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yeah, detail is what it counts.

good job by BladeRunner trying to spin it as if the Chinese were the perp instead of the victim.