the "artifical sun" made by china

Aerodriver

New Member
Darth, I'm not even going to try and answer you questions, because to jump from what I wrote to the conclusions you just wrote is an even bigger leap than the technological leap you first implied had happened. My hatred against the CCP media.hahahahahaha - I implied nothing of the sort, again your just reading a conclusion that fits you mindset, and that goes for most of the other things you wrote in your reply. If you really want me to answer them, just read what I wrote before because my previous posts already have addressed your issues with this “artificial sun” and me. BUT read what I have wrote, not what YOU WANT to read. You’re stuck in some in some strange place where you came up with the conclusion you want to believe and will not be swayed from it. Frankly I'm happy for you to stay there, it’s mildly amusing. So go ahead come to what conclusion you want, write what you want, I wont reply because there is no point, Your already convinced I'm simply a China basher so there is no point in taking this any further and I hope you will also be man enough just to agree to disagree.

P.S. I 100% agree with you FOX is a waste of time....when did I say FOX was a beacon of truth to the world? Again your reading 1 + 1 but getting an answer of 5.
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
Aerodriver said:
Darth, I'm not even going to try and answer you questions, because to jump from what I wrote to the conclusions you just wrote is an even bigger leap than the technological leap you first implied had happened. My hatred against the CCP media.hahahahahaha - I implied nothing of the sort, again your just reading a conclusion that fits you mindset, and that goes for most of the other things you wrote in your reply. If you really want me to answer them, just read what I wrote before because my previous posts already have addressed your issues with this “artificial sun” and me. BUT read what I have wrote, not what YOU WANT to read. You’re stuck in some in some strange place where you came up with the conclusion you want to believe and will not be swayed from it. Frankly I'm happy for you to stay there, it’s mildly amusing. So go ahead come to what conclusion you want, write what you want, I wont reply because there is no point, Your already convinced I'm simply a China basher so there is no point in taking this any further and I hope you will also be man enough just to agree to disagree.
P.S. I 100% agree with you FOX is a waste of time....when did I say FOX was a beacon of truth to the world? Again your reading 1 + 1 but getting an answer of 5.

sad resorting to personal attack is that all you got :nono: :rofl: :nono:

your the one that continously mention reading others mind set when you cant even read the artical!!!!!:roll:
the artical clearly answers all you questions yet you ignore then this inplies

A. you cant understand it ( although you calim to live in china)
B. a pathetic attempt by you to start flaming war

for your sake i hope A is true

EDIT this personal clash is off topic if you want to continue this pointless debeat use PM
 
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Aerodriver

New Member
Darth, How about answer C...simply that I did not agree that china had created a self sustaining reaction and I posted my answer, which you did not agree with, fine that’s your choice. I think what you are saying about me and you conclusion about me are untrue. You think what I said about you and what you have posted is untrue. Nothing either of us can write will change our minds, now your even calling me a liar .So like I said in my last post lets just be adults and agree to disagree, and not waste more of each others time. Deal?
 
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The_Zergling

Junior Member
I would have thought Duskylim's post would have clarified the legitimate parts of your arguments. The rest of it... I'll pass on it. Regardless of whether or not this is an 'attack' on the CCP's reliability or 'China's primacy', technical issues like this can be analyzed objectively without partisanship.

Aerodriver noted that it was unlikely that China had developed an fusion reactor, note that it was impossible. Perhaps his choice of words pissed you off, being a bit more patriotic than a guy like me, but the facts don't change; it is highly unlikely that this could have truly successfully happened without it being ALL over the news of the whole world.

Anyway, as of now I've been convinced by Duskylim's follow-up post regarding what this was actually about.

And I'll take another shot at Faux news. Seriously, even though the US media isn't doing all that well recently, Faux news IS the neocon spin machine.
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
The_Zergling said:
I would have thought Duskylim's post would have clarified the legitimate parts of your arguments. The rest of it... I'll pass on it. Regardless of whether or not this is an 'attack' on the CCP's reliability or 'China's primacy', technical issues like this can be analyzed objectively without partisanship.

Aerodriver noted that it was unlikely that China had developed an fusion reactor, note that it was impossible. Perhaps his choice of words pissed you off, being a bit more patriotic than a guy like me, but the facts don't change; it is highly unlikely that this could have truly successfully happened without it being ALL over the news of the whole world.

Anyway, as of now I've been convinced by Duskylim's follow-up post regarding what this was actually about.

And I'll take another shot at Faux news. Seriously, even though the US media isn't doing all that well recently, Faux news IS the neocon spin machine.

well I NEVER claim china has a fusion reactor my original post was in response to FMC attempt at flaming war

PS.american news agency like fox or CNN sometimes are poor at reporting forgein news with accuracy is quality they arent much better then CCP media
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I don't see how insulting each other is on topic, stop the personal attacks now and get back on topic, or else thread is closed
 

Nethappy

NO WAR PLS
VIP Professional
I lived in Hong Kong at the moment.. and have to travel to china for work frequently.

Well I am a Product Specialist for some Hi-tech anti corrosion solution (Intercept if any of ya hear about it b4.). So I always get to work with engineers from the hi tech sector, including the CCP.

Back to topic.
Well i was talking some goverment engineers yesterday from what they told me,
the news was suppose to be some kind of technology advancement, But not a fully operation reactor. They confirm me about there own, reactor project, and said they were hoping to have a finish product b4 the internation project.

For your infomation, all PLA new Type 99 tank part, will be using Intercept TM as they new anti corrosion storage medic. ^_^
 

Mazepa

New Member
I get the feeling that there is a strange attitude among westerners that they have a superiority when it comes to science. Why would not the Chinese be able to master new innovation before Europe and USA? For us to not realise that the innovative future is also in China is to close our eyes for the truth.
 

Vlad Plasmius

Junior Member
how sad resorting to personal attack when all else fails

That was my first comment on this topic. It was hardly a personal attack, either. It was very broad, not personal. It was also a reference to an Internet comic, just so you know.

insted of resprting to ameture source such as wikipedia maybe reading the original chinese artical would help !!!

Wikipedia is quite reliable. It also has links to several sites.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Dear Sirs,

This is my first reply (and only my second post!) so please bear with me. I read that article off the website of the people's daily some time ago. The gist of it is that China has decided to run a parallel experimental tokamak program in addition to their participation in ITER (the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor at Cadarache, France).

It is not a working fusion power reactor, very far from it. The configuration, (that of the tokamak) is in fact Soviet in origin, designed by Andrei Sakharov and Igor Tamm (if I'm not mistaken). In this design the ionized gases (the plasma) serve as the secondary of a transformer and are heated by the induced currents. It has proven to be the most promising of thermonuclear designs (constrast this with the Western desings it replaced like the Stellarator).

Doubtless this experiment (as any well-designed experiment should), serves several purposes; first, it allows China to familiarize itself with the design, materials and construction of a thermonuclear reactor; second, it allows the study of plasma dynamics (a very complicated and difficult field) in the reactor environment; third, it introduces to China the use of Superconducting Maganets in the field coils and fourth, it provides independant validation of the designs, calculations and criteria established for ITER.

From the pictures, clearly it is at least an order of magnitude (around 10x) smaller than ITER, thus is a much more modest effort, but probably sufficient given China's existing financial and technological constraints. The lesson here is to walk before you run.

The "Artificial Sun" comparison is unfortunate and misleading as the sun itself operates on an entirely different principle. In it's core the sun fuses light hydrogen (protium) together to form helium via a complex catalyzed fusion reaction (i.e. via many nuclear intermediary reactions). This was first explained by Hans Bethe for which he won the Nobel prize.

Viewed as a fusion reactor the sun uses gravity to confine its plasma, that is not an option available to us. Also, the reaction takes place a extremely high pressures, another option not available to us (as the energy release would be like a bomb). Lastly the sun's thermonuclear reaction time is very long, and seems large due to vast quantity of material reacting.

The chief characteristics of modern thermonuclear reactors can be summarized as, magnetic confinement of the plasma, low plasma densities, long plasma confinement periods, and of course much higher plasma temperatures than in the sun.

As to the availability of heavy hydrogen, China has long been able to produce it. In fact it inadvertantly sold some to India, by mistake. It also has tritium production reactors like the ones the USA operates.

Lastly before I end my post, I would like to point out an interesting characteristic of the fusion reaction we are relying on... that in the D-D (deuterium-deuterium) and D-T (deuterium-tritium) reactions, most of the energy released (unlike that in a fission reactor) is in the incident neutron, (some 85%) and not in the fusion product itself. So to capture the energy, you must slow the neutron
Hmm...finally someone who looks at it from a technilogical standpoint.
You seem to have at least a beyond basic education in this stuff


Im not really interested in fusion, but maybe Ill haul this article over to sino economy sometime for more disscusion in a more appropriate atmosphere.

any chance the military could use any of the plasma generated by this machine?
 
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