The alleged Chinese theft of ASML IP;stealing useless info & got a bad rep

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...-asmlto-steal-these-silicon-secrets-from-asml


    I am reading this article, and if its true, and totally holding in contempt for the useless info they stole. Source code, user manual, and pricing strategies. They stole useless info and got a bad rep, totally not worthy it.

    Most people know the brain of the lithography equipment is Optical lens arrangement and configuration to give it nanometer resolution. Know what material and size of lens, distance, arrangement, etc...

    Stealing software source code , pricing strategies and user manual and getting a bad rep is a shitty deal for the Chinese , totally not worth it. Sounds like the Chinese folks don't know what they doing, have no knowledge of lithograph equipment, maybe someone majors in biology , sales, or genetics, etc.... Lousy agents. If it's worthless craps, don't steal it!!!

    They should pool money and resource into commercialize the new lithography equipment concept developed by China academy of science. It's different approach than ASML.

    Doing that is much better than stealing completely useless info. They should get some training and read into art of stealing.
     
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    I will suggest you can try to do some identification of claims, or proving, instead just grab and comment on it under the assumption it's true. There are tones of this kind can be found on web today.
     
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    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...KEAk&usg=AOvVaw2FrJRQZIAuMbYlJdPMT27Y&ampcf=1
     
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    the link: doesn't work for me, but
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...want-to-steal-these-silicon-secrets-from-asml
    Why Might China Want to Steal These Silicon Secrets?

    does
     
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    I have concluded there are certain elements in this forum are similar to those bums stole worthless ASML info due to lack of expertise in the right area and got bad rep, stinks up the joint.
     
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    More “alleged” crap that they keep throwing around to smear their foreign competitors. Usually it only works on domestic audience.

    International partners are all very ready to recieve Chinese technology, even ready to brave US anger to do so! UK, Germany, Italy, Russia, real recognize real.

    Fake news from Bloomberg will do nothing to change the tides. As fake as the spying chips and as fake as the Iraqi wmds
     
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    I have been saying for a long time that China needs its own semiconductor tools industry. This is a process Japan also had to go through.
    I think the only shame is they did not start working on it a longer time ago.

    Industrial espionage is just a fact of business in general. Everyone does it to some degree.
     
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    As long as you did try (your best) to confirm/verify the reports, it's fine.
     
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    They have. Unfortunately not enough china companies willing to take a chance on them therefore they fall behind. That's why need influential players like huawei to take a chance and take a lead into this and start using them.

    http://www.smee.com.cn/eis.pub?service=homepageService&method=indexinfo&onclicknodeno=1_4_1_1
     
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