Terrorism against Chinese targets

plawolf

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To expand on Wolf's post, the question we need to ask is, what is the objective behind terror attacks against Chinese targets?

While China is expanding its economic influence, it is nowhere near high on the priority list for organizations like al-Qaeda and ISIS, who are focused on creating an Islamic power in the Middle East.

So the only people with a stake against China are the Uighur and Tibetan separatists. The Tibetans do not generally have resources or motivation to conduct terror attacks Chinese targets. The Uighurs, on the other hand, do receive support from the aforementioned terrorist organizations, so they are the top priority on China's terror list.

Therefore, China's responses must be targeted toward those Uighur terror cells, with the objective of stamping out terror attacks in Chinese borders first and foremost.

That is what China is doing, but the same lot who inspire, if not co-ordinate, terrorist attacks spins that as somehow China trampling Uighur rights and freedoms. As if carrying out terrorist attacks is somehow supposed to be a human right. :rolleyes:

I fear that unless China goes after and take out the financiers, recruiters, cheerleaders and other enablers of terrorists within China, all China is doing is addressing the symptoms of the problem without tackling the cause.

It would be like America trying to fight terrorism by only targeting terrorists once they are on US soil.

Often, by that stage, it is all but too late to stop the attacks.
 

SampanViking

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For China, long range interdiction of terrorists and those that support them is not a viable option.
The Chinese response is typically complex and long term.
First it builds political relationships with the countries that harbour the leaders and mouthpieces and work to make the Political environment less benign for them

Secondly, it recognises that terrorists usually need to start their operations from outside of the country and relay on both the passive and active assistance of local groups in those countries. China is very busy cultivating links with militant groups in both Pakistan and Afghanistan to both remove any assistance these terrorist cells receive and to elicit advance intelligence and maybe even to interdict before they cross the border.

We know that these contacts exist, but I doubt we will ever discover how effective they are, in what I have no doubt will be a secret and dirty little war straddling the borders.
 

AZaz09dude

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ISIS Claims to Have Norwegian and Chinese Hostages
6:53 AM ET

The jihadist group is demanding ransoms for their release


CAIRO — The Islamic State group on Wednesday claimed to be holding a Norwegian man and a Chinese consultant hostage and demanded ransom for their release.

The extremist group posted pictures of the two men wearing yellow prison outfits in the latest issue of its online magazine Dabiq. It identifies the Norwegian man as Ole Johan Grimsgaard-Ofstad, 48, from Oslo, and the Chinese man as Fan Jinghui, 50, a freelance consultant from Beijing.

The magazine lists a telegram number for “whoever would like to pay the ransom for his release and transfer.”

It does not say when or where the two were captured. The IS group controls large parts of Iraq and Syria, and has killed several captives in gruesome videos released online.

Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg, at a news conference in Oslo on Wednesday, confirmed that one of the hostages was a Norwegian man in his 40s being held in Syria and “everything indicates that (the Islamic State group) is behind it.”

Solberg said the man was captured at the end of January.

“The kidnappers have presented a series of demands and significant amounts of ransom money,” she said. “We cannot give in and won’t give in to pressure from terrorists and criminals. Norway does not pay ransom.”

Despite the country’s unwillingness to pay ransom, Solberg said Norwegian authorities are working with various parties in several countries to free the hostage.

“Our goal is to get our citizen home,” she said. “But let me be very clear, this is a very demanding case.”

Chinese officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

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nfgc

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I fear that unless China goes after and take out the financiers, recruiters, cheerleaders and other enablers of terrorists within China, all China is doing is addressing the symptoms of the problem without tackling the cause.

The problem is that 'terrorism' began to rise when money began to flow into one part of the world in 1938, and then out again to fund terrorists that were supporting certain ideals that locals thought worthy.
 

taxiya

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Just base on the information we read from the articles right now, there is indeed no direct proof that the Turkish government is supporting terrorism against China. However, read between the lines, with the action and inaction. In my opinion they are at least sympathetic with the Uyghur terrorists on trial in Indonesia.

And if Turkey give out any support or interference for the Uyghurs on trial in Indonesia after the sentence with the deportation destination. It will be even more telling regarding their stance on the issue of Uyghur terrorism. As you say, we will see.........
As it is not allowed to respond to Jeff's post #74, I have to comment to Jay's post. I have read from many news forum that quoted official intelligent sources in Southeast Asian countries that the Turkish passports are "real" in the sense that they are from Turkish diplomats in some Southeast Asian countries. Everything of the passports are real only that the holders are not the one on the paper, in other words, the person that the passport represent is not real in Turkey.

I don't believe that Mr. Erdogan authorized any of such things. But I am pretty sure there are elements in the Turkish establishment who do sympathize and directly support Uyghur terrorists. The "fake" passports do fit here. One can of course argue whether these people are terrorists or not, but one fact stands indisputable, a state can not issue passport to a person who is not their citizen, not even their resident. Turkey does have a serious question to answer, of course behind doors.

I don't agree that it is mere speculation.
For you who want to know the passport story, start from here
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I quote from the news above:
"A most interesting sidebar to the Thailand story has been the wheels coming off the reckless Turkish passports-to-Uyghurs scheme.

To complement recent public references to unnamed foreign countries providing documentation to Uyghurs, a Public Security Bureau official went on record to brief foreign journos that, yes, it is Turkey."
The last sentence says a Chinese official actually pointed the finger to Turkey openly.
 

bd popeye

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Terror Attack in Liuzhou!

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A series of explosions targeting public buildings in a small city in southern
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has killed at least seven people and injured more than 50, officials and state media have said.

The Ministry of Public Security said it was treating the case as a criminal act and not terrorism. It said a 33-year-old local man, identified only by his family name of Wei, was considered a suspect but provided no further details, including a possible motive or whether the man had been detained.

A local Communist party newspaper, the Guangxi Daily, cited police as saying there were 17 explosions in Liuzhou, in Liucheng county, leaving seven people dead, two missing and 51 injured. The paper also said the suspect had not been apprehended.

The explosions, which occurred between 3.15pm and 5pm, hit a hospital, local markets, a shopping mall, a bus station and several government buildings, including a jail and dormitories for government workers, according to a police statement posted by the local newspaper Nanguo Zaobao.

“There were so many of them, and they were so loud, everyone in the county could hear them,” said a hotel employee who gave only his family name, Li. The hotel is near a township office building that was hit by one of the explosions.

“They sounded like someone was blasting rocks in the mountains,” Li said.

Zhou Changqing, the police chief for the city of Liuzhou, which has jurisdiction over Liucheng, said the blasts were triggered by explosive devices delivered in several mail packages, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

A supermarket employee said the store was evacuated immediately when an adjacent supermarket was hit by an explosion. “All of us heard the blast. It was very loud,” he said by phone.

Photos posted online showed streets filled with smoke, strewn debris, dust clouds in the sky and the rubble from a five-storey building that had partially collapsed.

The official Xinhua News Agency reported that at least one more explosion hit downtown Liuzhou, away from Liucheng county. It did not say whether there were any casualties from that blast or whether it was connected to the explosion in Liucheng.
 

broadsword

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Terror Attack in Liuzhou!

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Terrorism was ruled out by the Chinese police.

A 33-year old suspect — identified only by his last name Wei — is being hunted in connection with Wednesday's blasts, Guangxi Police said.

Xinhua reported that local police have ruled out terrorism and are treating the bombings as a criminal act.

The parcel service was temporarily suspended throughout the Liucheng county area which includes Liuzhou, according to state-run broadcaster CCTV.

Guangxi sits on the border with Vietnam and has several ethnic minorities, but is generally peaceful.

Disaffected or mentally unstable Chinese people have set off explosions in public places in the past. Explosives are relatively easy to come by, as they are widely used in China's large mining industry.

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bd popeye

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While "officially" this may not be an act of terrorism....I feel the act of planting bombs in public places is terrorism I don't care what the police anywhere on planet Earth call it. Acts such as this cause terror in the hearts and minds of citizens. Just my opinion.
 
I think the distinction some are trying to make is what drove the terrorist. Whether this was terrorism driven by mental health issues, personal grudges, criminal activity, politics, and whether foreign influences are involved. I think politics and foreign influence are what some are saying are not the issue in this case.

However here is another case of terrorism which probably involves politics and foreign influence. Its only source is Radio Free Asia which has an anti-China bias so don't know how much of the story is trustworthy:

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World | Thu Oct 1, 2015 6:27am EDT Related: WORLD, CHINA
At least 50 said killed in September Xinjiang attack as China warns on security
BEIJING | BY BEN BLANCHARD

At least 50 people died in an attack last month at a coal mine in China's far-western Xinjiang, Radio Free Asia reported on Thursday, as a visiting senior leader warned that the security situation in the violence-prone region was "very serious".

The government says it faces a serious threat from Islamist militants and separatists in energy-rich Xinjiang, on the border of central Asia, where hundreds have died in violence in recent years.

But exiles and rights groups say China has never presented convincing evidence of the existence of a cohesive militant group fighting the government, and that much of the unrest can be traced back to frustration at controls over the culture and religion of the Uighur people who live in Xinjiang, a charge Beijing denies.

U.S.-based Radio Free Asia said the number of people killed in the Sept. 18 attack at the Sogan colliery in Aksu had reached 50, with most casualties members of the Han Chinese majority and police blaming knife-wielding separatists.

The news came as the country marked 60 years since the establishment of what it calls the Xinjiang Autonomous Region, complete with images on state television of happy ethnic minorities dressed in colorful outfits dancing in celebration.

Radio Free Asia, citing its own sources, said that when police officers arrived at the mine, attackers "rammed their vehicles using trucks loaded down with coal".

"Nearly all the workers who were not on shift at the time were killed or injured," police officer Ekber Hashim told the station. "Some workers were sleeping while others were preparing to work when the attackers raided the building after killing the security guards."

Reuters was unable to reach officials for comment. Such incidents are frequently reported in overseas media but not confirmed by the Chinese government until days later, if ever.

Yu Zhengsheng, in charge of religious groups and ethnic minorities and No.4 in the ruling Communist Party, told officials at an event marking the 60th anniversary in the regional capital, Urumqi, not to rest on their laurels.

"We must fully recognize that Xinjiang faces a very serious situation in maintaining long-term social stability, and we must make a serious crackdown on violent terror activities a focal point of our struggle," Yu said, in a speech carried live on state television.

(Editing by Nick Macfie)
 
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