Terrorism against Chinese targets

Uh oh, I hope this is not act of terrorism. Anyway, it's sad. My condolences to the victims families.

Government: 7 killed in explosion at east China kindergarten

Associated Press 49 minutes ago

BEIJING (AP) — Seven people were killed and 59 injured in an explosion Thursday at the front gate of a kindergarten in eastern China as relatives were picking up their children at the end of the school day, local officials said.

The blast at the Chuangxin Kindergarten in Fengxian, which struck at 4:50 p.m., was under investigation, the Xuzhou city government in Jiangsu province said on its microblog.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the explosion was deliberately set or the result of an accident.

The official newspaper Global Times reported on its website that the incident was caused by the explosion of a gas cylinder at a roadside food stall, citing a witness identified only by the surname Shi. The blast sent people flying several meters (yards) into the air, Shi was quoted as saying.

Kindergartens in China have been targeted before in apparent revenge attacks carried out by mentally ill people or those bearing grudges against their neighbors and society.

Videos purportedly from the scene and posted on social media showed children and adults lying on the ground, some bleeding. Clothing, shoes and other items were strewn on the ground beside pools of blood. The videos showed ambulances arriving and medics wheeling people into an emergency room.

The Xuzhou government said two people died at the scene and five others died at a hospital. At least four others were seriously injured, it said.

Calls to the kindergarten and local hospitals rang unanswered.

In 2010, nearly 20 children were killed in attacks on schools, prompting a response from top government officials and leading many schools to beef up security with the posting of guards and the installation of gates and other barriers. Last year, a knife-wielding assailant injured seven students outside a primary school in a northern city.

China maintains tight control over firearms and most attacks are carried out using knives, axes or homemade explosives.

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taxiya said:

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The "death of two Chinese hostages" may be more complicated or different from what many media including CNN says.

This Huanqiu article says according to its own reporter in Pakistan:

1. The two Chinese are not "Mandarin teachers".
2. They were brought in and hired by a South Korean language school, what language does the school teach? Korean, Urdu, English? Seriously?
3. The school is called "ARK", it has very strong religious flavor. Remember the crazy South Korean Christian Missionary activities? 2007 SK hostage crisis?
4. The two Chinese are not sent by Chinese government, therefor not protected by Pakistani security guards.

Two lives being taken is bad. But I must say, if the Huanqiu article is right about it and likely so, the two victims paid their lives for a listen for:

1. Provocatively acting as religious missionaries that are against both Chinese state's will and Chinese (culture) practice.
2. Following the lead of the very same people (some SK agents) who are in the mean time doing exactly same sabotaging activities in Sino-NK boarder region and even within inland China.
3. Being naïve and stupid.

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These two obviously knew that what they were doing was risky, but they decided to do it anyway for their own reasons. People are free to take risks if they want to, but the nation has no obligation to bail them out.

solarz said:

These two obviously knew that what they were doing was risky, but they decided to do it anyway for their own reasons. People are free to take risks if they want to, but the nation has no obligation to bail them out.

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If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, those two's actions have now led to unnecessary friction and uncertainty simply due to their citizenship. Might I suggest that all "Christian" Chinese who think it's appropriate to patronise other countries with their faith change not only their spiritual leanings but also their citizenship so that when natural selection inevitably strikes, the country is insulated from the fallout.

jobjed said:

If only it were that simple. Unfortunately, those two's actions have now led to unnecessary friction and uncertainty simply due to their citizenship. Might I suggest that all "Christian" Chinese who think it's appropriate to patronise other countries with their faith change not only their spiritual leanings but also their citizenship so that when natural selection inevitably strikes, the country is insulated from the fallout.

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I see nothing to suggest that this incident will have any lasting repercussions. Frictions are inevitable between nations, that's what diplomats are for.

solarz said:

I see nothing to suggest that this incident will have any lasting repercussions.

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This incident by itself mightn't affect the Sino-Pakistan relationship significantly, but it better not be the first of multiple such incidents. The Chinese government must take steps to ensure this is the first and last time such a thing happens.

Frictions are inevitable between nations

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That's defeatist. Friction as a general concept is inevitable simply due to the law of large numbers but this specific incident wasn't inevitable. It didn't have to happen.

that's what diplomats are for.

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Janitors exist too, doesn't mean we should litter or take a dump anywhere we want. No need to make their jobs more difficult, for both janitors and diplomats alike.

jobjed said:

This incident by itself mightn't affect the Sino-Pakistan relationship significantly, but it better not be the first of multiple such incidents. The Chinese government must take steps to ensure this is the first and last time such a thing happens.


That's defeatist. Friction as a general concept is inevitable simply due to the law of large numbers but this specific incident wasn't inevitable. It didn't have to happen.


Janitors exist too, doesn't mean we should litter or take a dump anywhere we want. No need to make their jobs more difficult, for both janitors and diplomats alike.

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It wasn't the first and it won't be the last. Not in Pakistan and not in anywhere else either. Hate to break it to you but everyone dies, some under tragic circumstances, and I'm sure many of those happen in China every day. The Chinese government can get a lot more bang for the buck reducing tragic ends in China than to address those two's.

dingyibvs said:

It wasn't the first and it won't be the last. Not in Pakistan and not in anywhere else either. Hate to break it to you but everyone dies, some under tragic circumstances, and I'm sure many of those happen in China every day. The Chinese government can get a lot more bang for the buck reducing tragic ends in China than to address those two's.

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I don't really care that they died. They weren't particularly valuable to their country or species anyway. The bigger problem was what they were doing before they died. They were insulting the local population and patronising them by having the audacity to preach about a different deity, the evidence for whoms existence is no better than that of the local deity.

If they were preaching vaccines and birth control then that's justifiable since there's actual scientific evidence for their effectiveness and necessity; it'd be less preaching and more educating. But no, that wasn't what they were doing. They were preaching something for which they have no evidence. It essentially boiled down to a pissing contest; "my god's real and yours is fake; I have no evidence for it but I know I'm right because I said so". That's deeply insulting to the local population and it's problematic because of the missionaries' citizenship.

The incident is now described as: Chinese citizens went into Pakistan to patronise the local population by way of a pissing contest. That's a problem. You know what's not a problem? South Korean citizens went into Pakistan to patronise the local population by way of a pissing contest. That ensures China cannot be held accountable, or even relatable, to the idiotic actions of the missionaries. It's essential that misguided Chinese who not only convert to Christianity but has the gall to start preaching it to others change their citizenship so the rest of the country won't have to endure the inevitable blowback. And if they are unable to change their citizenship, the Chinese government has the duty to prevent these moronic citizens from entering an allied nation and insulting her people.

It seems China already has these regulations in place as the missionaries entered Pakistan on a work visa. Unfortunately, they did not use this visa in good faith and abused their visa privileges by attempting to convert local Muslims to Christianity. Going into the future, China ought to run more thorough background checks on citizens applying for Pakstan visas; if they have any hints of being religiously indoctrinated, especially by religions infamous for encouraging worshippers to "spread the word of god", their visas must be denied.

jobjed said:

I don't really care that they died. They weren't particularly valuable to their country or species anyway. The bigger problem was what they were doing before they died. They were insulting the local population and patronising them by having the audacity to preach about a different deity, the evidence for whoms existence is no better than that of the local deity.

If they were preaching vaccines and birth control then that's justifiable since there's actual scientific evidence for their effectiveness and necessity; it'd be less preaching and more educating. But no, that wasn't what they were doing. They were preaching something for which they have no evidence. It essentially boiled down to a pissing contest; "my god's real and yours is fake; I have no evidence for it but I know I'm right because I said so". That's deeply insulting to the local population and it's problematic because of the missionaries' citizenship.

The incident is now described as: Chinese citizens went into Pakistan to patronise the local population by way of a pissing contest. That's a problem. You know what's not a problem? South Korean citizens went into Pakistan to patronise the local population by way of a pissing contest. That ensures China cannot be held accountable, or even relatable, to the idiotic actions of the missionaries. It's essential that misguided Chinese who not only convert to Christianity but has the gall to start preaching it to others change their citizenship so the rest of the country won't have to endure the inevitable blowback. And if they are unable to change their citizenship, the Chinese government has the duty to prevent these moronic citizens from entering an allied nation and insulting her people.

It seems China already has these regulations in place as the missionaries entered Pakistan on a work visa. Unfortunately, they did not use this visa in good faith and abused their visa privileges by attempting to convert local Muslims to Christianity. Going into the future, China ought to run more thorough background checks on citizens applying for Pakstan visas; if they have any hints of being religiously indoctrinated, especially by religions infamous for encouraging worshippers to "spread the word of god", their visas must be denied.

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Yep, when you get a brain washed religious institutionalized zealot out on a "mission" to get the world abide to their belief system against their culture and history forget about peace. These religious cult people thinks the world revolves around their god.