Terrorism against Chinese targets

AndrewS

Brigadier
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That was in the Cold War era, but conditions are very different today. China might still be reemerging, but it's already a bonafide great power, and great powers dance around each other very carefully. Overtly hostile acts, like actively supporting separatist elements, especially ones that employ terror as SOP, are too provocative and risky. I have no doubt both countries are conducting covert operations against the other, but not things that can cause innocents to die, especially not actions that could easily be traced.

Plus in the case of China and the USA today, both sides have regular institutionalised dealings on a whole range of issues that they need each other's cooperation on, and which they both benefit from.

Overtly supporting separatists in each other's countries would poison this.

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If China really wanted to meddle with the US internally, we've just seen Russia hack the US presidential election and deliberately steer the result towards its favoured candidate.

And Russia has gotten away with this because the Republican Party has blocked and suppressed this news, thereby demonstrating that it values the naked pursuit of political power over the interests of a free and fair election in the USA.

And the lesson here?

If the USA was to overtly interfere with China's domestic affairs, then why can't China swing US elections towards more China-friendly candidates?
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I was not specifically responding to you but supplementing Equation's post. Please don't be over sensitive, no need for that.
I didn't take it that way. I tried to relate my view that NGOs do good things and also do bad things. I'm not surprised to see news reports on shadowy government agencies funding NGOs, often without their knowledge, as cover to advance their interests.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
If the USA was to overtly interfere with China's domestic affairs, then why can't China swing US elections towards more China-friendly candidates?

Because the US political leaders had already messed up the system, there's no need to interfere at all.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
There's a liberal named Christine Craft. She's a former TV news anchor who's famous for being fired because the station manager thought she was too ugly for TV. Hence her career afterwards was on radio as a talk show host. Well back when the Republicans were accusing the Clintons of taking campaign donations from foreigners namely Chinese donors, it was accused that China was interfering in US democracy. Craft on the radio agreed with the charge and demanded punishment. Then someone called in and said if Craft remembers Central and South America where the US routinely interfered with other countries' elections. Craft said that those countries should've have had laws and prevented it from happening in the first place therefore there was nothing wrong with US interference in other countries' elections. They can do it but you can't.
 

delft

Brigadier
Plus in the case of China and the USA today, both sides have regular institutionalised dealings on a whole range of issues that they need each other's cooperation on, and which they both benefit from.

Overtly supporting separatists in each other's countries would poison this.

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If China really wanted to meddle with the US internally, we've just seen Russia hack the US presidential election and deliberately steer the result towards its favoured candidate.

And Russia has gotten away with this because the Republican Party has blocked and suppressed this news, thereby demonstrating that it values the naked pursuit of political power over the interests of a free and fair election in the USA.

And the lesson here?

If the USA was to overtly interfere with China's domestic affairs, then why can't China swing US elections towards more China-friendly candidates?
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As far as I can see there are only allegations.
 

delft

Brigadier
I just found on the website of a German TV station an article -
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- about the BRI conference that ended with a notice on a terrorist attack near Gwadar in which ten people were killed including Chinese.
The accusations are that terrorists in this area are supported by Saudi Arabia, US and/or India.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I just found on the website of a German TV station an article -
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- about the BRI conference that ended with a notice on a terrorist attack near Gwadar in which ten people were killed including Chinese.
The accusations are that terrorists in this area are supported by Saudi Arabia, US and/or India.
Your linked article reported a terrorist attack and murdering of ten people, but nothing on who supported it. Where did you get the info the attack was "supported by KSA, US and/or India?"

Here's the relevant paragraph in the German new report you linked:
A deadly attack on workers of a "Silk Road" project in Pakistan near the strategic port of Gwadar the previous day highlighted the security risks for the project. Ten people were killed. Behind the attack are rebels suspected of turning against the Chinese presence.
 

delft

Brigadier
Your linked article reported a terrorist attack and murdering of ten people, but nothing on who supported it. Where did you get the info the attack was "supported by KSA, US and/or India?"

Here's the relevant paragraph in the German new report you linked:
I referred to earlier articles I read over the last several years, including recent ones by Ambassador Bhadrakumar about Indian interference in the area and Iranian complaints about Saudi intereference implied support from the Pakistani secret service. Articles about US support for terrorists operating from there into Iranian Baluchistan are older.
 
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'Grave concern' over Chinese teachers reportedly killed by ISIS in Pakistan
By Katie Hunt, Sophia Saifi and Hamdi Alkashali, CNN
Updated 7:03 AM ET, Fri June 9, 2017

(CNN)China has expressed "grave concern" over reports that ISIS has killed two Chinese teachers kidnapped in Pakistan.

The man and woman, said by Chinese media to be a couple, were kidnapped by armed men on May 24 from the city of Quetta, the capital of Pakistan's Balochistan province, on May 24 on their way to teach a Chinese language class, a senior security officer told CNN last month.

Amaq, a news agency affiliated with ISIS, said Thursday that Islamic State fighters had killed two Chinese teachers who were being held in the Mastung, Balochistan. The group also released a video, which showed two bodies shot and bleeding on some grassy ground.

"China resolutely opposes all forms of kidnapping of civilians and opposes all forms of terrorism and extreme acts of violence," said Hua Chunying, the spokesperson for China's Foreign Ministry, in a statement on Friday.

The deaths underscore the risks of China's growing international reach and influence. The Global Times, a state-run tabloid, said that guarding Chinese nationals overseas had become a new and serious challenge for national security.

"As China's international influence is growing, terrorist organizations target Chinese for ransom or just to create a sensation. Cases of Chinese being kidnapped have increased," the paper said in an editorial.

Chinese nationals have settled in Pakistan in greater numbers since the announcement of a $46 billion investment plan known as the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) in 2015 -- part of China's One Belt One Road initiative.

"Given Pakistan's complex security situation, both sides need to study and formulate a more comprehensive security plan to fully cover Chinese in Pakistan," the Global Times added.

Rescue attempt
Hua said authorities had been trying to rescue the hostages.

Pakistan's military said Thursday that its security forces conducted an operation from June 1 to 3 in Mastung, where it said it killed 12 terrorists with links to ISIS that had been hiding in caves but didn't mention the abducted Chinese teachers.

It hasn't responded to the reports that the two Chinese hostages have been killed. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry also didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Balochistan is home to the Gwador Port Complex, a flagship project of the economic corridor, but has been plagued by violence by different militant groups including the Pakistani Taliban and a separatist movement.

Pakistan views CPEC, a combination of infrastructure projects ranging from road networks, a fiber optic cable project, railway lines, a deep-sea port, coal mines and solar farms, as a huge opportunity to develop its economy.

Pakistan is home to roughly 20,000 Chinese, according to Mustafa Hyder, chief executive of the Pakistan-China Institute.

CNN's Serenitie Wang and Yuli Yang contributed to this report
 
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