Terror Attack in Paris, 13 November 2015

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I'm sure forbin can speak more on it however there is a huge underclass of Muslims in France. Many if not most of them were 'acquired' during the earlier colonization of North Africa. Others came later.
These population are largely marginalized and the liberal policies of France in general contradicts the more conservative beliefs and lifestyle of this group. These further marginalized them and most have a hard time acclimatizing and assimilate with the rest of the country.
I believe this is one of the primary causes of euro terrorism by homegrown Muslims. With ISIS influence and propaganda via social media etc. it is not difficult to see why many of these young men, mostly poor, unemployed, angry to lash out at the country/culture which adopted their parents.

I have been to France and if you can't speak French you are pretty much ignored let alone if you speak in a Scottish accent

So people from outside like Syria must find it impossible

On the outskirts of Paris there is a large Algerian community who do not integrate with rest of French society are not represented in the government and don't get jobs

These poor not integrated people become good targets for ISIS recruitment

But above all when will this end, how many more will die, how many times will we wake up to this kind of news, why can't people just get on

Scotland has a long historical ties with France going back to the Mary Queen of Scots a sad day for both
 

Brumby

Major
Will NATO Respond to the Attacks on Paris?
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At issue is
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, which states that an attack on one member of the alliance is an attack on all of them. A response is based on the principle of collective defense. The article has been invoked just once in NATO’s more than six-decade history: after the attack of September 11, 2001.

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, Admiral James Stavridis, a former NATO-allied supreme commander, pointed out the attacks in Paris were similar to the attacks of September 11.

Separately, Stavridis predicted to
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NATO will put “boots on the ground” against the Islamic State. He said he expected 10,000 to 15,000 of the alliance’s troops would be required.

If Article 5 is invoked, it will force those European countries sitting on the fence to finally get serious against ISIL.
 

Brumby

Major
On the outskirts of Paris there is a large Algerian community who do not integrate with rest of French society are not represented in the government and don't get jobs

These poor not integrated people become good targets for ISIS recruitment

I don't agree entirely with this view as often given that due to lack of economic opportunities they become radicalised. I can understand if some turns to crime as a result. It requires something more than economic loss to become attracted to the ideas of ISIL and that is connected to a religious ideology. Political correctness dictates that it should not be raised and so we just continue to dance around this problem. Muslim religious leaders need to speak out against the teachings of a radicalised Islam but unfortunately no credible Muslim leader will ever challenge the Koran. Bombs and bullets cannot kill an ideology, it needs to be counteracted but we can't even begin to do that until the core problem itself is acknowledged.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
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If Article 5 is invoked, it will force those European countries sitting on the fence to finally get serious against ISIL.

then Turkey would be in a big quandry. It's no secret that Turkey is indirectly supporting or at the very least enablers of ISIS and other Sunni terror groups.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I don't agree entirely with this view as often given that due to lack of economic opportunities they become radicalised. I can understand if some turns to crime as a result. It requires something more than economic loss to become attracted to the ideas of ISIL and that is connected to a religious ideology. Political correctness dictates that it should not be raised and so we just continue to dance around this problem. Muslim religious leaders need to speak out against the teachings of a radicalised Islam but unfortunately no credible Muslim leader will ever challenge the Koran. Bombs and bullets cannot kill an ideology, it needs to be counteracted but we can't even begin to do that until the core problem itself is acknowledged.

I've been saying that for years..
poverty/marginalization ≠ terrorist
poverty/marginalization + Salafist teachings = terrorist
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I would add poverty/marginalised plus Saudi Wahabi teaching = terrorist

Why has Saudi not taken a single Syrian?? Because they know exactly what they funded and created

It's time Saudi was held accountable but oil money keeps everyone shut

There is no point in Muslims condemning terrorist acts when we all know where exactly it's coming from

UK just voted Saudi Arabia support for its human rights seat at the UN?? Please ??

No Muslim condemnation will change that
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I would add poverty/marginalised plus Saudi Wahabi teaching = terrorist

Why has Saudi not taken a single Syrian?? Because they know exactly what they funded and created

It's time Saudi was held accountable but oil money keeps everyone shut

There is no point in Muslims condemning terrorist acts when we all know where exactly it's coming from

UK just voted Saudi Arabia support for its human rights seat at the UN?? Please ??

No Muslim condemnation will change that

Wahhabism is pretty much synonymous with Salafism.
 

Brumby

Major
then Turkey would be in a big quandry. It's no secret that Turkey is indirectly supporting or at the very least enablers of ISIS and other Sunni terror groups.

I think all the conditions are met for France to invoke Article 5 if it decides to do so. At a minimum, it will force Turkey to open up its bases for France to launch air strikes.
 

Brumby

Major
There is no point in Muslims condemning terrorist acts when we all know where exactly it's coming from

UK just voted Saudi Arabia support for its human rights seat at the UN?? Please ??

No Muslim condemnation will change that

I am not talking about Muslim condemning terrorist acts. That is just a superficial and PR response. I am talking about Muslim religious leaders openly discrediting their radicalised teachings.
 
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