Taiwan Military News Thread

  • Thread starter Deleted member 675
  • Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.

BLUEJACKET

Banned Idiot
But if the USN was really that worried, I think it needs to calm down - I don't think Congress would make it go back to conventionally-powered submarines.
With new Democratic leadership in Congress, they may decide to build them- SSKs cost less and can be procured faster and forward deployed in larger numbers! The new German type 212 with AIP can stay submerged for 3+ weks and support NATO missions.

U212_10.jpg


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 
D

Deleted member 675

Guest
With new Democratic leadership in Congress, they may decide to build them- SSKs cost less and can be procured faster and forward deployed in larger numbers! The new German type 212 with AIP can stay submerged for 3+ weks and support NATO missions.

I'm not sure the Democrats would. Did they show any interest in this while they held the Presidency before Bush? Not to my knowledge. Conventional technology may have moved on, but as far as the US political establishment is concerned, SSNs are still the best.
 

BLUEJACKET

Banned Idiot
OK, so the the Taiwanese don't want to get ripped off by having them built in the US and there isn't anyone else willing to anger the PRC. In a sense, they are being blackmailed: either they build it in US or don't build it anywhere else, (including in Taiwan-without the blueprints); which will leave them volnurable to PLAN naval blockade!
 
D

Deleted member 675

Guest
OK, so the the Taiwanese don't want to get ripped off by having them built in the US and there isn't anyone else willing to anger the PRC. In a sense, they are being blackmailed: either they build it in US or don't build it anywhere else, (including in Taiwan-without the blueprints); which will leave them volnurable to PLAN naval blockade!

Well that is and isn't true. Taiwan won't agree to them being built in the US if the price is as high as some estimates say - over $1 billion each. The big issue is if some European firms can be brought on board to help - Spain has come up in articles repeatedly, as it doesn't trade nearly as much with China as Germany does. The problem is I don't know whether these European firms would merely be helping the Americans build them, or whether they would actually be expected to build them directly in Europe. Also I don't know what the position of the Spanish government is, for example - we already know the Germans won't sell them.

Also there has been discussion of some of the work happening in Taiwan - build the first "batch" overseas and then have the rest made in Taiwan with help from the builder. But I don't know whether that would be possible now without making the price unacceptable, despite information gained about building submarines from the 1980s Dutch purchase.

It isn't really blackmail, because the US can't make them that easily. Opening a production line of conventional submarines in the US just to supply Taiwan with 8 would not be cheap - profit would have to come from the price-tag, rather than securing multiple orders for a greater overall number.

No more submarines would be troublesome for Taiwan, to be sure. Then again its ASW capabilities will be greatly enhanced by the P-3C Orions - maybe the money could be better spent elsewhere.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

BLUEJACKET

Banned Idiot
There was also talk about getting plans from the Germans and building them in the US. The S.Koreans could do that too (they are now building subs for their navy), but for political reasons it's a non-starter. So, unless their services can steal plans like Israeli Mosad had, the US-supplied
P-3s and JMSDF will have to pick up the slack!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 
Last edited:
D

Deleted member 675

Guest
Taiwan-U.S. Military dialogue concludes successfully

Washington, Nov. 18 (CNA) An annual dialogue between the deputy defense ministers of Taiwan and the United States concluded earlier this week in Washington, D.C., with both sides reaching consensus on issues concerning arms deals, military exchanges and defense industry cooperation.

The meeting was headed by Vice Minister of National Defense Ko Chen-heng and U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England. According to informed sources, the U.S. thinks the meeting was successful and effective in clarifying a lot of misleading information it had obtained from the media, especially about Taiwan's arms procurement package.

Washington is happy with the fact that part of the budget for the procurement package has passed preliminary review in Taiwan's Legislative Yuan, according to the sources. The package covers eight diesel-electric submarines, a squadron of 12 P-3C anti-submarine aircraft and six Patriot PAC-III anti-missile batteries.
 
D

Deleted member 675

Guest
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


I thought the following bit was most interesting.

Tung explained that because the United States has not built conventional diesel-fueled submarines for decades, it would be too costly for Taiwan to have the United States design the subs and reopen its productions lines to build them. "To meet Taiwan's defense needs in the most cost efficient way, the best approach is to invite bids from European shipyards to design and build the submarines," he said. "The US$360 million will be used to show European builders that Taiwan is determined to acquire the submarines and to attract them to take part in the bidding," he pointed out.

I wonder what this means. Does this mean that the US wants to convince European builders to take all the work, or just do the design? Might construction even take place in Taiwan under European and American guidance? It's certainly a very curious situation. Cost seems to be less of a problem now, but how they will be built is even more uncertain. These questions will probably go unanswered for quite some time yet.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
D

Deleted member 675

Guest
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


Taiwan's military has quietly removed statues of late President Chiang Kai-shek from its bases, a move the grandson of the former general condemned Monday as showing "ingratitude" toward the island's modern founder.

Over the past two decades, hundreds of Chiang statues have been removed from public parks, schools and government offices as officials said they were remnants of the island's authoritarian past. But the military has continued to honor Chiang for repelling a communist invasion of the island after the Nationalists were swept from power from mainland China and retreated to Taiwan in 1949, where he was president until his death in 1975.

I'm glad to see the Taiwanese military is moving on. Chiang was not a nice guy by any means - for him to be glorified in military buildings was quite sickening.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top