Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

granite

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Re: New Chinese Strategy?

I don't know what the exact statistics are now, but I know that it's a lot more 25%. Your dates are wrong - PAC-3 was not used in Desert Storm. The US Army didn't even have PAC-2 GEM back then, let alone PAC-3.

Sorry, I meant they used Patriot interceptor missiles during Dessert Storm to try to take down scuds.

Has anyone come by any calculations of how many PAC-3 batteries Taiwan would need to really defend the most critical nodes from all those missiles?

Would they shoot two interceptors at each incoming missile to increase chances of collision, or just one and hope it worked?
 
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Re: New Chinese Strategy?

Has anyone come by any calculations of how many PAC-3 batteries Taiwan would need to really defend the most critical nodes from all those missiles?

Taiwan has 3 PAC-2 batteries that are being upgraded to PAC-3 standard. It will order 6 new batteries if the legislative passes funding.

In addition, it is planning on introducing 12 Sky Bow III batteries in the future.
 

planeman

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HF-III supersonic SSM

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High res pictures of missile:
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Sky Bow III SAM:
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And quad shore battery of HF-II
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This high res pic of one of the kidd class destroyers shows that it retains Harpoon SSMs - no HF-IIIs
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Roger604

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Here's an interesting article. My feeling is that this would do great harm to cross-straight relations. I wonder which country the "nuclear expert" came from -- Israel? India? USA?

ACCUSED: KMT Legislator Su Chi claimed that an unnamed DPP central executive committee member had told him the president was looking to develop nuclear weapons

By Mo Yan-chih
STAFF REPORTER
Saturday, Oct 20, 2007, Page 1

Premier Chang Chun-hsiung, left, and Minister of National Defense Lee Tien-yu yesterday answer questions in the legislature. In response to allegations by Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Su Chi, they said Taiwan is a peace-loving country that will never produce, develop or obtain nuclear weapons.

Premier Chang Chun-hsiung (張俊雄) yesterday dismissed allegations by Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Su Chi (蘇起) that the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) government was developing nuclear weapons to confront China's military threat and as a bargaining chip to negotiate with the US.

Chang made the rebuttal on the legislative floor during a question-and-answer session with Su.

Su said that President Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁) had told the Ministry of National Defense (MND)-affiliated Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology to develop a nuclear weapon.

He also said that nuclear experts and a former national defense minister from a country equipped with nuclear weapons had been invited to discuss the issue.

Besides developing a nuclear weapon, Su said Chen was also pushing for the mass production of the locally developed Hsiung Feng II-E cruise missile.

political asylum

Su also said that Chen would seek political asylum in the US to protect himself from possible imprisonment over his role in the special allowance case when his presidential term comes to an end next year.

"With the development of the Hsiung Feng II-E and nuclear weapons, we are becoming another North Korea," said Su, a senior KMT member of the legislature's National Defense Committee.

Su said that he had obtained the information from a DPP Central Executive Committee member but he did not name the individual, nor did he provide proof to back his claims.

Dismissing Su's allegation, Chang insisted that the country had no plan to develop a nuclear weapon.

"This is a serious accusation. As the premier, I assured you that Taiwan is a democratic country with no plans or intention to develop nuclear weapons," the premier said.

"Taiwan will not produce, develop, acquire or use nuclear weapons," he said.

Su also said that the MND had plans to produce 245 Hsiung Feng II-E missiles and had requested NT$34.6 billion (US$1.06 billion) over eight years from the classified portion of the ministry's budget.

Earlier this week the ministry sought NT$3.8 billion for the missile project for next year, but lawmakers cut the budget by one-third, froze another one-third and passed the remainder.

range

The missiles are believed to have a range of between 600km and 1,000km, putting Hong Kong and Shanghai within their range, depending upon the type of engine used.

"The real problem, however, is not the nuclear weapon or the missiles," Su said.

"The real problem is that we have an abnormal president. He is going to use those weapons for his own interests," he said.

Minister of National Defense Lee Tien-yu (李天羽) said that the Hsiung Feng II-E is still in the development stage.

Lee said that the missiles are being developed for defensive purposes, rather than with any intention of starting a war.

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My feeling is that this would do great harm to cross-straight relations.

Then it would rather be the fault of Su Chi.

An "unnamed source"? Yes, we've heard those all before. Such as "unnamed" Iraqi defectors that said Saddam was running biological weapons labs around the country in trucks. The fact it supposedly came from a senior DPP member is even more absurd.

I don't believe a word of it. Taiwan gave up its nuclear weapons programme long ago and would take a lot of time to get it going again - I don't see anyone giving it a hand either (North Korea was lucky because of the Pakistani connection).

It's doubtlessly just pre-election scare-mongering. As such we should leave the matter there, given this thread's careful controls. As the article title says (which you accidentally left off), the Premier denied Taiwan has any nuclear weapons programme/intentions. Let's move on.

"With the development of the Hsiung Feng II-E and nuclear weapons, we are becoming another North Korea"

Then that would be good for Taiwan. It would get a peace conference, restored diplomatic relations and lots of back-slapping for getting rid of them. :D
 
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Roger604

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Then it would rather be the fault of Su Chi.

An "unnamed source"? Yes, we've heard those all before. Such as "unnamed" Iraqi defectors that said Saddam was running biological weapons labs around the country in trucks. The fact it supposedly came from a senior DPP member is even more absurd.

Huh? I thought there was no political discussion in this thread. Please refer to the first post of the thread. Golly said:

It is best to avoid all diplomatic, economic and political discussion. Focus on news about the change in the Taiwanese armed forces.

These code of conducts are being executed even more vigilance manners than in other threads so be aware of breaking them. Any moderation will automaticly mean official warning to the one who forces us to intervene with his/her posts, regardless of the scale or the persons previous reputation.


Then that would be good for Taiwan. It would get a peace conference, restored diplomatic relations and lots of back-slapping for getting rid of them. :D

Please don't discuss politics here.
 

Gollevainen

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Person A posts an article which is basicly all political from its content and leaves hardly no room for political-free military dicussion of the contest of that article. Then person B comments the article basicly by exactly like anticipated and then the person A jumps in again and accuse that "hey no political discussion is allowed here!"

Does that sound silly to anyone else's eyes?

So knock it off, both of you:nono:
 
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Looks like these CMs may be carrying graphite bombs in the future

The report was denied by the Taiwanese defence ministry today.

Taipei, Oct. 22 (CNA) A Ministry of National Defense (MND) official confirmed Monday that Taiwan has conducted research on graphite bombs, but added that the ministry has no plans to produce them.

Fielding questions at the Legislative Yuan, Wu Wei-jung, director of the MND Armament Bureau, said the research on the non-lethal graphite bombs -- capable of disabling electrical power infrastructure -- is not aimed at offense, but is part of a study to find out how serious the damage could be if a big city like Taipei were to be attacked with graphite bombs, also known as "blackout bombs."
 
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WASHINGTON, November 9, 2007 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to The Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States of PATRIOT Configuration 2 Ground Systems Upgrade as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $939 million.

The Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States has requested a possible sale of upgrade and refurbishment of Taiwan’s 3 existing PATRIOT fire units to the latest Army Configuration 3 ground support equipment. MDE includes: 36 AN/VRC-88E SINCGARS EXP Vehicle Short Range Radio Systems; 32 AN/VRC-90E SINCGARS EXP Vehicle Long Range Radio Systems; 4 AN/VRC-91E SINCGARS EXP Long Range Radio Systems; 11 AN/VRC-92E SINCGARS EXP Dual Range Radio Systems; 2 PATRIOT, MIM-104 (Patriot-As-A-Target); Radar Enhancement Phase 3 (REP-3); Classification, Discrimination and Identification Phase 3 (CDI-3); Remote Launch Communication Enhancement Upgrade (RLCEU); and an Electric Power Plant. Non-MDE includes: all necessary modification kits, communication support equipment, tools and test equipment, integration and checkout, spares and repair parts, installation and training, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance, and other related elements of logistics and program support. Taiwan has also requested 4 telemetry kits for its live fire training. The estimated cost is $939 million.
 
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