Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    Yes, and not only she knows that, but also all Taiwan's so called allies knows that (official name if Taiwan is republic of China, for crying out loud)! Only the poor delusional soles like those Hong Kong thugs and a few die hards in Taiwan doesn't want to accept this fact, and thus gets played by foreign entities!
     
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    Hmmmm.. M109A6 with a RAP round will push 30km but that’s fairly short compared to the long barreled 52 caliber guns. Until the XM1299 comes online, it might be a better idea to wait or see if someone is willing to sell a 52 caliber guns or refit to the 109s.
    Alternative I always wondered if the old M110 could get a modernization. That 203mm Howitzers already comes close to M109 RAP round ranges without using such a round. 8” shells even from the short barrel M110 are not something to sneeze at.
     
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    even large warships were roughed up by 8" OK the Admiral Graf Spee in Plate River 1939 and the South Dakota off Guadalcanal 1942 come to my mind while drinking early morning coffee (don't recall the names of cruisers shooting those 8" sorry)
     
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    Honestly, I'm surprised that they didn't just give their M109s a 52 caliber barrel domestically.

    It'd be a better use of money than buying those Abrams (if the ROC Army wants a mechanized force, then they need to go all in and buy at least a couple divisions, as opposed to that single white elephant regiment/brigade).
     
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    It’s not so easy. You need the technology and industrial know how. If it was that easy then the A6 would have a 52 cal gun already. The M109 is a fairly old design the family started in the 1950’s with a 23 caliber gun in the 1970’s and 1980’s it moved up the current 39 caliber gun that was the same time that the 45 caliber was introduced in other nations as Bull sold it.
    Taiwan has never built a indigenous howitzer AFAIK. The PRC spent years licensing and buying technologies to build up it’s ability to build modern howitzers.
    So you would be looking at a major industrial infrastructure buy.
    I know I know but the subs and ships... and fighters. The US hasn’t exported a modern ship in some time and without a modern AIP or diesel there is no way the US would sell a nuclear boat. Taiwan’s indigenous fighter program was lack luster. So they have to go it alone. The PRC of course doesn’t like it when Taiwan gets army boots from abroad let alone attack subs so they do everything in there power to apply pressure to keep exports from happening. Which again restricts them to trying to build at home or buy from the US who is more or less immune to PRC pressure.
    In this case the US has the established product the A6 is also fairly proven. It may come up short but it’s better than the current models.
     
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    The problem with the subs, ships and fighters is that what's been proposed is either in excessive of requirements (i.e the IDF trainer mess, just call it a fighter if you really want a fighter, and accurately represent the costs), or utterly out of sync with reality (the destroyers and Yun Feng come to mind).
     
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    At the time of the start of IDF the US administration had cracked down on sales of new US fighters. As such there was a need not meet directly eventually the situation changed but for the 1980s it looked like Taiwan was locked out of any outside fighters.
    Destroyers again only so many built and time exported. Same for the subs.
     
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    (and keyboard warriors got active, LOL)

    anyway
    Delays mount to Taiwan F-16V upgrade https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/delays-mount-to-taiwan-f-16v-upgrade-461729/
    • 23 October, 2019
     
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    Dropping the idea for AIDC to assemble the F-16Vs now looks like a really, really good idea.
     
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