Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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  1. Max Demian
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    Exactly. They are guesses. CMANO also has a professional version of their product where the customers can use their own databases to conduct war game simulations.

    However, we should also be aware that all published data, especially for non-export military items, are intentionally inaccurate. Anecdotal evidence from pilots providing relative comparisons between platforms is another potentially valuable source of information.
     
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    I don't know why people still holding on hopes of another country coming to rescue them?

    They obviously don't know history of how Taiwan became Taiwan the first place. And how this have affected EVERY Chinese person ever since.

    Also, to those countrues that's going "to defend Taiwan", theres a cost, and make no mistakes, when the costs of defending Taiwan outweights the benefits, Taiwan will be dropped like a lead ballon!

    Just look at what happened the last two times, countries came and "defend" their allies in the orient!

    Whereas for China the cost to defend the country's soverignity is priceless. Thus the cost is limitless!

    That's not to say the Chinese are stubbone or reckless, the Chinese are doing no more than other country would do.
     
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    There's really no way to have a discussion with you. If all published data is inaccurate, there's nothing to talk about. We therefore don't know anything about anything by that logic and anybody who does rudimentary math on their own forum should be trusted over official sources, and I cannot even count how many of those there are.

    I know it said I didn't want to talk about this anymore but I got curious. I actually went back and read the arguments and first of all, the "experts" don't have names; they only have screen names like Hcobb, Mightyname, XaHyMah. Those sound like authoritative names to you??! Then, the final argument by Mightname was that the people at Lockheed Martin screwed up converting Kg to pounds. Are you kidding me??? This company makes jets, not rubber duckies; they can convert kg to pounds in their sleep. Also, whatever he is adding to a 43,000 lb figure to make it 56,000 or 68,000 lbs, the MTOW of the F-22 is stated at over 83,000 lbs so there is absolutely no problem with either weight. You are reading the jumbled nonsensical arguments of internet forum hobbyists and trying to assert that over official data provided by Lockheed Martin. Don't waste your time.
     
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    The way I see it, it just makes making definitive statements impossible. Guesswork is the name of the game on this forum. There is zero incentive for LockMart to publish exact figures for the F-22, an aircraft under export embargo. Likewise, some people still choose to believe that the Type 346 is a dual band S-band/C-band AESA, while photographic evidence and closer scrutiny indicate otherwise.
     
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    When a defense company does not wish to disclose information, they say it is "classified." They don't make up wrong numbers to throw foreign intelligence and then get foiled by 3 no names on a Wikipedia discussion.
     
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    The link to the RAND report.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1051.html

    The report basically outlines different options in which Taiwan should invest in their air defense to extract maximum effectiveness.

    Relevant piece of the summary :
    The argument boils down to individual interpretation of the report and what it means relative to respective choice of narrative.
     
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    Taiwan was never in its history governed by the CCP, nor has the CCP ever held any sovereignty over that territory. A quick review of history shows that the first government on the island was established by the Dutch (who ousted the Spanish from their colony in the north), who were subsequently ejected by Koxinga, whose descendants in turn were defeated and the island annexed by the Qing, who in turn ceded the island to the Japanese, who in turn relinquished their sovereignity of the island in the Treaty of Taipei, wherein "Japan renounced all claim to them [Taiwan and the Penghu Islands] without specifying to what country they were to be surrendered". Since then, ROC has exercised sovereignty over the island.
     
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    Where in your quote does it say 2-4 weeks? The question is about the 2-4 week claim and you don't even dare cite the right passage because you know you are wrong.

    If you read my answer here (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/taiwan-military-news-reports-data-etc.t3396/page-320#post-558417), now that's an answer!

    But it is a nice passage. It showed that whatever aircraft are not hidden in caves are destroyed but if you do hide them, you cannot use them. In other words, there is no such thing as an airbase hidden in the mountains that can be used through a PRC missile bombardment.
     
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    The USA has been doing a good job deterring PRC's invasion of Taiwan ever since the outbreak of the Korean war and the sailing of the 7th fleet through the Taiwan strait in 1950.
     
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    That's a matter correlation, not causation. You can say the US has done a great job from stopping the sun from burning out by that logic. In fact, Mao didn't have the naval capacity or he would have chased Chiang's forces and finished them off on Taiwan. After a while, Mao died and it's not kosher to start beating on someone from a split that happened decades ago unless they reignite it, plus, China's current economic momentum leads to hopes of peaceful integration, and so we are where we are today.

    If the US today announced that they would not defend the ROC, the PRC would still want to integrate peacefully. If the US announced that they will definitely defend the ROC and the ROC declared independence, then China will still go to war and is prepared to get into a nuclear fight. China's generals have made that clear, unlike America's "strategic ambiguity" AKA "I need room to back out of this."

    The US has historically demonstrated that when it engages China in Asia, like in Vietnam and in Korea, it loses. The current US won't engage any deadly foe like Russia or China, not for SCS islands, not for Ukraine, not for Georgia. The most it will do is fly/sail in circles to annoy.
     
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