What airplanes should China get/have?

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canada

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:coffee: This is me. Sitting around all day reading. From Sinodefence.com, I can see a airforce "gap" in China. Few choppers to carry troops. Few Naval figher bombers. Few bombers. Few fighers.

What kind of tech and what kind of aircraft should China have?
What you might think about:
-VTOL fighters
-Russian stealth fighters
-better airpower
-more transports.

Send in your ideas.
I'll check back in three days.

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MIGleader

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perhaps it time someone checked in with reality. the plaaf is certainly not at a shortage of bombers or fighters. they have over 400 4th gen combat aircraft, with 500 upgraded 3rd gen, they also have 120 old bombers modernized to fire cruise missles. naval fighters...perhaps true. the navy has the jh-7a, su-30mkk2, and j-8. but not many

more transports? well, in a sense. china right now has few transports, but they just ordered 30 more from russia. plus the y-9s comming along well.

russian stealth fighters? plz. no ones stupid eough to fall for that. russia has ability to make stealth aircraft, but its going to be a russian design entirely. china wants its own plane. id trust the j-xx more than any chinese pak fa.

vtol? seeing how china doesnt have any carriers, its best to lay off of them for now.

someone, check this guys ip. i have a suspicious feeling about him. he certainly isnt canadian. and for someone whos been reading sinodefence, he has no idea what hes talking about. i have the whole site almost memorized, and i know what kind of info it gives.

Kid, watch it.
 
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renmin

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China might not have the most high tech air force but they do have the largest airforce in the world. Russia does not have a stealth fighter even though they can build one. China does have a sizable amount of bombers but they lack longer ranged carpet bombers. And Id say China's fighter research is going pretty well. And transport choppers? they have plenty of transport choppers but lack of Attack helicopters.
 
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Well, I thought about closing this thread, due to the post by the thread starter, but this is actually an interesting topic to talking about. What does China really need right now? Personally, I see several area that we should be a lot further along in our development. Most notably heavy bomber. There is no reason that we should still be sitting on 1950s technology with H6. Does that mean we should've got the backfire? I'm not sure. I think if we can get the ToT on backfire and the bear, it could at least move our heavy bomber industry a generation ahead. Another huge void right now is the ground attacker position. Clearly, Q-5 is really really outdated. The current direction of plaaf seems to be replacing it will L-15 and WZ-10. Either way, we need to get rid of Q-5 soon. Another department I'm concerned about is heavy transport. I think we are doing fine with the recent Y8F600 upgrade program and the proposed Y-8X and Y-9 transport program. It's quite clear that we do not have the technology to build a good IL-76 size transport. IL-76 transport does have quite an advantage over Y-8/9 series, because we need this kind of transport for the KJ-2000 AWACS. We shouldn't have to rely on the Russians to provide us with the airframes for our flagship AWACS. In general, I'm also hoping for some development with the tanker side. The only domestic tanker right now is converted from H-6. If we do get something like IL-76 developed, we can then develop a tanker version of it. To canada, L-15 could be considered a VTOL I think. It got considerate help from Yakolev and it has a really short take off range.
 
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tphuang said:
Well, I thought about closing this thread, due to the post by the thread starter, but this is actually an interesting topic to talking about. What does China really need right now? Personally, I see several area that we should be a lot further along in our development. Most notably heavy bomber. There is no reason that we should still be sitting on 1950s technology with H6. Does that mean we should've got the backfire? I'm not sure. I think if we can get the ToT on backfire and the bear, it could at least move our heavy bomber industry a generation ahead. Another huge void right now is the ground attacker position. Clearly, Q-5 is really really outdated. The current direction of plaaf seems to be replacing it will L-15 and WZ-10. Either way, we need to get rid of Q-5 soon. Another department I'm concerned about is heavy transport. I think we are doing fine with the recent Y8F600 upgrade program and the proposed Y-8X and Y-9 transport program. It's quite clear that we do not have the technology to build a good IL-76 size transport. IL-76 transport does have quite an advantage over Y-8/9 series, because we need this kind of transport for the KJ-2000 AWACS. We shouldn't have to rely on the Russians to provide us with the airframes for our flagship AWACS. In general, I'm also hoping for some development with the tanker side. The only domestic tanker right now is converted from H-6. If we do get something like IL-76 developed, we can then develop a tanker version of it. To canada, L-15 could be considered a VTOL I think. It got considerate help from Yakolev and it has a really short take off range.
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excuse me for the one liner question, yes i understand that L-15 is able to short take off, but how can it be VTOL and what modification does it required???
 
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Let's think about what if the U.S fighted with China with aircraft. How well would China's planes perform? Thinking about that, what aircraft would you want China to have. China will need all it can get. Not 1960's era bombers.

MIGleader quoted "vtol? seeing how china doesnt have any carriers, its best to lay off of them for now." And the U.K make its VTOL figher because of the fear that the U.S.S.R. would obliterated there runways.
 
MIGleader

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no ones going to carpet bomb chinas runways. no one is in that kind of position. there are such things as temporary airstrips made out of ad hoc materials such as quick dry concrete that can support stols. if china relly needs a vtol by some chanc,e i would buy the yak 141. im not discrediting chinas abilities, but normal first generation vtols are extremely expensive to develop, complicated and time consuming to develop, and extremely hazardous. better go with a second generation design to form a base before making ur own.

what does china need? a powerful dedicated attack copter and ground attack aircraft. more aew and awacs.
 
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Yes that's true. But what about the F/A-22 rapter? Is it a danger to China, if so souldn't China have similer fighters?
 
renmin

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canada said:
Yes that's true. But what about the F/A-22 rapter? Is it a danger to China, if so souldn't China have similer fighters?
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If your talking air combat, then the F 22 might have the upper hand but China already has the stealth version of the Jian 10 ready but not yet operational and dont forget the Jian XX and the Jian 8III. All steath fighters. Second steath does not mean invincebility, flak and AA guns can just as well take out a steath fighter.
 
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ahho said:
excuse me for the one liner question, yes i understand that L-15 is able to short take off, but how can it be VTOL and what modification does it required???
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my bad, I got VTOL and STOVL mixed up. So the answer is we don't have any VTOL, but I really don't see any point in developing one either.

To Migleader, AEW and AWACS are clearly things that China is working on right now. I have no idea what kind of preperation China is making toward replacing Q-5 and H-6.

As for F-22, we are not going to have anything capable of matching up against it for a while. Our best hope is for J-10's stealthy version to develop to the typhoon level. That could give us 3 to 1 kill ratio against F-22 and probably better if China uses the stealth detection radar (YLC-2 I think? or maybe YJ-27) + GCI or AWACS to coordinate J-10 and J-11. But the latter scenario would only be possible close to our costal areas, use the satellites and ground detectors and such. Maybe China will eventually be able to develop stealth radar that you can fit on the plane.
 
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