US Military Recruitment

The_Zergling

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I posted this here because I'm not sure how nasty or political this could get, and I think that this is one of the few places where we can have a good accurate discussion of it.

First off, here's a video I found on YouTube that made a big impression on me. What I want to know is (from those that were in the military) how accurate is this? Is it completely overblown? Is it accurate? Old news?

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Totoro

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The fact bits seem to be right, when i compare them with figures given by official sources. Other than that its hard to tell, its mostly people giving their views on stuff and of course the sample of people from the video is not representative. But yeah, i believe there's truth to it.

Basically, if one enlists in the army or marines - infantry especially because they need money for college or something - then they will not have a good opinion of the whole ordeal. Those who wanna serve the government or just 'get some action' will probably have somewhat nicer things to tell afterwards.
 

bd popeye

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Those folks speaking on the video do believe what they are saying. And of course there is some truth in what they say. I have compassion for anyone that has lost a love one to any war.

But remember this . That tape was produced with a biased anti-military, anti-war slant. They simply hate the "establishment" and want to push their "cum ba ya" world on the world.

Sometimes those people push the lie that many are forced into the US Military. That's a lie. No one is coerced. There is no military draft. None. Has not been one in the US since early 1973. That is why there has not been massive anti-war demonstrations like during the Vietnam war.

You young fellows have no idea what it was like during that time. None. Any anti-war rally or demonstration these days pails in comaprison of what took place in the US from about 1967-'72. Demonstartions were a daily occurance. They were massive. they shut down college campuses. The anti-war riot that took place in Chicago in 1968 near the Democratic national convention site was televised for the world to see.

And that's how I feel about it.
 
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bd popeye

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Did anyone in the US see the ABC network program last evening entitled "To Iraq and back" with Bob Woodruff? Excellent program. I'm sure the US DoD did not approve of that program. Why? It would only hurt recruiting. It showed many brain injured Iraq war vets. These explosions from IEDs really jar the brain and cause brain injuries seen and unseen. It is estimated that of the 1.5 million diffrent vets that have surverd in Iraq fully 10% may be surrering from some sort of brain injury.

Why so many catrostropic injuries in this war as compared to other wars? In my opinion and other soilders and Marines are recieving better battlefied medical care. The tramua care there is excellent. Therefore more men survive now that in years past would have been killed.

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ABC's Bob Woodruff describes recovery By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
Mon Feb 26, 6:25 PM ET

NEW YORK - Bob Woodruff searched for the word, but it wasn't quite there. It was an internal organ, that he knew. He was describing a soldier's injuries when indecision stopped him. "Intestines," a producer sitting to his left in an ABC News conference room Monday gently reminded him.

The newsman met with reporters for the first time since a roadside bomb in Iraq tore off part of his skull 13 months ago. ABC News is airing a prime-time special, "To Iraq and Back: Bob Woodruff Reports," about Woodruff's recovery and the plight of other brain-injured Iraq veterans at 10 p.m. EST Tuesday. A book he co-wrote with wife Lee also goes on sale Tuesday.

Only in small moments — a dropped word, momentary confusion at a question, a startled look upon hearing a cough — were Woodruff's injuries evident. At one point he used the word "news" in place of "knowledge," but caught and corrected himself.

Small pockmarks from shrapnel on the left side of his face and neck were visible. Doctors said it was a remarkable recovery for someone who had come so close to death.

Upon first emerging from a 36-day coma following the blast, Woodruff couldn't name any of the 50 states or even recall his twin, 6-year-old daughters — not just their names but their very existence.

"Will I get back 100 percent?" he asked. "Probably unlikely. Maybe if I get somewhere in the 90s, that would be pretty damned good."

He was hurt on his 28th day as "World News Tonight" co-anchor, on Jan. 29, 2006. Woodruff was riding in an Iraqi army tank in Taji, Iraq, his head and upper body exposed through the hatch, when the bomb went off.

"When it actually exploded, I don't remember that," he said. "But I do remember immediately at that moment that I saw my body floating below me and a kind of whiteness."

He briefly lost consciousness, fell back into the tank and woke up to see cameraman Doug Vogt across from him. Woodruff remembered spitting up blood. (Vogt was wounded but survived.)

"I looked up at Doug and I saw his eyes big and afraid and just asking him if we were still alive and that's the last thing I remember," Woodruff said.

He'd been lucky, in one sense. A rock the size of a silver dollar punctured his neck and lodged just next to a vital artery. He was evacuated quickly to medical facilities. But during his coma, no one knew what kind of Woodruff would emerge — if he would at all.

The ABC special illustrates the process of turning the brain back on again. In film of him taken months later, Woodruff stares blankly at pictures of a hammer and scissors, not knowing what to call them. His children laugh with him as he repeatedly fails to pronounce "belt buckle."

A camera catches him crying when he returns to National Naval Medical Center room in Bethesda, Md., where his wife explained that during visits she'd steer their children to the side of the room where his injuries looked less severe.

The most difficult part of his ordeal was knowing what his family experienced. "Every time I see my wife crying, that kills me a little bit," he said Monday.

Woodruff now goes to therapy for his injuries once a week. But reporting and even attending Monday's news conference, where he is forced to think on his feet, are part of his therapy, too, he said.

Two-thirds of Tuesday's special is about how the U.S. government is dealing with veterans returning with brain injuries. Several families contend that the federal government is unprepared, and is also underestimating the number of people returning with brain problems.

"I've been given a chance to tell about something I lived through and seen so many soldiers and Marines live through that I think perhaps that was designed in some way, for the same reason perhaps that I didn't die of this," he said.

Woodruff will be interviewed by ABC's Diane Sawyer on "Good Morning America" Tuesday, and Oprah Winfrey later in the day.

His ability to return as a news anchor is unknown at this point. "It's a possibility," Woodruff said.

For now, he's going to continue reporting the story about injured veterans returning home and then hopes to work on different stories.

Woodruff hedged when asked if he would want to go back and report in Iraq before ABC News President David Westin cut him off.

"I will not send him," Westin said. "It just would not make sense. He's more vulnerable than he was before ... It would be the height of recklessness, from my point of view, to allow Bob Woodruff to go back to Iraq."
 

crazyinsane105

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Sorry if this is a little off topic, but exactly how many American casualties have there been in Iraq (not the dead, the wounded)? I've hearing numbers bouncing from 25,000 to 50,000 to some guy saying in Veteran Affairs on the Woodruff Report claiming up to 205,000? :confused: And yes, the larger number of wounded by no doubt really hurts recruitment quite a bit.
 

bd popeye

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Glad you asked that crazy..I wuz at the VA hospital in Iowa City IA today for a check up. Good care there for out patients..

I saw a veterans advocate and a VA spokesman say on the Bob Woodruff speical "to Iraq and Back" say there have been over 200,000(non-leathal) casulities of one kind or another. Th e US DoD and VA health care system is over burden as it is and this is making matters worse.
 

crazyinsane105

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I'm guessing the majority of the 205,000 US troops that have been treated are probably for psychological issues then since it would be quite hair raising to even think even half that many soldiers had been critically wounded in this war. :eek:
 

bd popeye

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Not quite true..Most are actual wounds. Or accidents. my son has a friend that was a USN corpsman(medic) assigned to the USMC. He lost some fingers in non combat a truck accident. that's considerd a casuality.

On the program I saw they said about 10%(wounded/injuried) of the troops are suffering from some sort of brain damage ,head trauma or pysoligical problems. Very sad. So that's 20,000.:(
 
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