US conflict in the Americas

BasilicaLew

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This conflict that has now been started since the strikes on "narco" boats in the carrbean has now come to involve China and Russia and other nations. Believing that a escalation could occur, having a thread will help clear up others if it does occur.

U.S. officials told Fox News that the Caribbean military buildup goes beyond targeting Maduro or Venezuela and that "it's about getting Russia, China, and Iran out of the Western Hemisphere."

 

CMP

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This conflict that has now been started since the strikes on "narco" boats in the carrbean has now come to involve China and Russia and other nations. Believing that a escalation could occur, having a thread will help clear up others if it does occur.

U.S. officials told Fox News that the Caribbean military buildup goes beyond targeting Maduro or Venezuela and that "it's about getting Russia, China, and Iran out of the Western Hemisphere."

So there's a logical disconnect here by these U.S. officials. Countries have embassies and consulates all over the place around the world. And so I am sure Chinese, Russian, and Iranian government representatives are active across nearly every country in Latin America, the Caribbean, etc. Going beyond just Venezuela, is the US intending to bomb or force the closures of the embassies and consulates of Russia, China, and Iran? That would be an act of war, warranting kinetic military response. Missile launches against US embassies and consulates across Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and East Asia, for example. It doesn't align with the recent actions of the Trump admin in terms of temporary truce with China and Russia. Which is why I kind of suspect the U.S. officials are lying to Fox News to create public support and justification for these U.S. imperialist actions against Latin America.
 

BasilicaLew

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So there's a logical disconnect here by these U.S. officials. Countries have embassies and consulates all over the place around the world. And so I am sure Chinese, Russian, and Iranian government representatives are active across nearly every country in Latin America, the Caribbean, etc. Going beyond just Venezuela, is the US intending to bomb or force the closures of the embassies and consulates of Russia, China, and Iran? That would be an act of war, warranting kinetic military response. Missile launches against US embassies and consulates across Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and East Asia, for example. It doesn't align with the recent actions of the Trump admin in terms of temporary truce with China and Russia. Which is why I kind of suspect the U.S. officials are lying to Fox News to create public support and justification for these U.S. imperialist actions against Latin America.
He plans to bomb Maduro to submit to the US and stop sending drugs
 

CMP

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He plans to bomb Maduro to submit to the US and stop sending drugs
Yes but Marco Rubio has started laying the groundwork with accusations against Colombia too. It's a slippery slope towards mass regime change across all non-puppets across Latin America and the Caribbean. Basically a reset to strengthen the Monroe Doctrine. And I trust it's about drugs just as much as I trust their trade war with China was over Fentanyl. Tying back to my previous comment, perhaps the idea is mass regime change followed by ensuring puppet governments cut ties to China, Russia, Iran, and perhaps crack down on or close their embassies and consulates. This is not about drugs. It's about US' exclusive domination over Latin America.
 

Sinnavuuty

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So there's a logical disconnect here by these U.S. officials. Countries have embassies and consulates all over the place around the world. And so I am sure Chinese, Russian, and Iranian government representatives are active across nearly every country in Latin America, the Caribbean, etc. Going beyond just Venezuela, is the US intending to bomb or force the closures of the embassies and consulates of Russia, China, and Iran? That would be an act of war, warranting kinetic military response. Missile launches against US embassies and consulates across Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and East Asia, for example. It doesn't align with the recent actions of the Trump admin in terms of temporary truce with China and Russia. Which is why I kind of suspect the U.S. officials are lying to Fox News to create public support and justification for these U.S. imperialist actions against Latin America.
The Americans intend to force a "regime change" in Venezuela because that country is too aligned with Russia and China, which would be detrimental in the American view because of its control of the Panama Canal.
 

Sinnavuuty

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The Trump administration managed to implode an alliance that had been built over two decades. Colombia was the US's preferred ally in South America, especially in the fight against drug trafficking, with Plan Colombia.

Today, the rhetoric has changed: Trump accuses President Gustavo Pedro of supporting narcoterrorism; this narrative rupture transforms Bogotá, from a strategic partner, into a target of surveillance and pressure.

The expansion of the Southern Spear into the Pacific shows that Colombia is not off the radar, and that maritime routes linked to drug trafficking must be closely monitored.

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Sinnavuuty

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A comment in the operational context:

Venezuela is a country of continental dimensions, with a rugged coastline and, further inland, an almost insurmountable barrier of jungles, mountains, and rivers. A successful amphibious invasion, the starting point for any regime change campaign, is a logistical challenge.

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That's not all.

The idea of repeating a large-scale landing like Normandy is anachronistic, clearly not comparable in scale and number of participants. Even if conquered, the Venezuelan beaches would lead to a hostile interior, ideal for ambushes and guerrilla warfare, where the US lacks moral and operational preparedness, as its troops are heavily dependent on electronic technology and various resources, diminishing their operational capacity for ruggedness.

And I am disregarding the arduous task of Operation SEAD/DEAD (S-300VM), a cornerstone of US military doctrine.

If they put "boots on the ground" it will be yet another conflict to sustain, as the US is already committed on multiple fronts: supporting Ukraine, tensions in the Middle East, and containing China in Asia.

Opening a fourth front of high-intensity conflict in South America would be an invitation to disaster, overwhelming their logistical, financial, and intelligence capabilities should they be attacked by any country or group of countries.
 

HighGround

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A comment in the operational context:

Venezuela is a country of continental dimensions, with a rugged coastline and, further inland, an almost insurmountable barrier of jungles, mountains, and rivers. A successful amphibious invasion, the starting point for any regime change campaign, is a logistical challenge.

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That's not all.

The idea of repeating a large-scale landing like Normandy is anachronistic, clearly not comparable in scale and number of participants. Even if conquered, the Venezuelan beaches would lead to a hostile interior, ideal for ambushes and guerrilla warfare, where the US lacks moral and operational preparedness, as its troops are heavily dependent on electronic technology and various resources, diminishing their operational capacity for ruggedness.

And I am disregarding the arduous task of Operation SEAD/DEAD (S-300VM), a cornerstone of US military doctrine.

If they put "boots on the ground" it will be yet another conflict to sustain, as the US is already committed on multiple fronts: supporting Ukraine, tensions in the Middle East, and containing China in Asia.

Opening a fourth front of high-intensity conflict in South America would be an invitation to disaster, overwhelming their logistical, financial, and intelligence capabilities should they be attacked by any country or group of countries.
I doubt that U.S. is interested in a "war". This is likely going to be a bombing campaign with airborne raids, not a full invasion.

The U.S. might not be able to "seize" the country, but we can certainly make it a ruined state. Libya was destroyed from the air and from the inside.
 
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