Type 09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread


Broccoli

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JL-2 is already almost same size as Trident II and diameter wise larger than original Trident I. Is there any reason why 10.000km range JL-3 wouldn't fit on 094A? I mean French M51 is shorter than JL-2 by one meter but is more capable.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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JL-2 is already almost same size as Trident II and diameter wise larger than original Trident I. Is there any reason why 10.000km range JL-3 wouldn't fit on 094A? I mean French M51 is shorter than JL-2 by one meter but is more capable.
You have to be careful about comparing the missiles along just one dimensional parameter. The M51 (12m long with 2.3m diameter) is volumetrically the largest missile (around 50 cubic metres), followed by the Trident II (13.41m long with 2.11m diameter) at 47 cubic metres, followed by the JL-2 (13m long with 2m diameter) at 41 cubic metres. Being "skinny" is a very undesirable trait in a missile given that volume scales quadratically with diameter.

Yes, there's a reason a larger JL-3 wouldn't fit in a Type 09-IV launch tube - if the tube could fit a bigger missile, the JL-2 would be a larger missile.
 

Xsizor

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There were reports of China's nuclear Submarines type 093 being detected by UK Carrier group transiting SCS.

Aside from the Global Times report, what is the analysis?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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There were reports of China's nuclear Submarines type 093 being detected by UK Carrier group transiting SCS.

Aside from the Global Times report, what is the analysis?
Nothing useful can be gained from any such reports, and you won't find any worthwhile analysis of it given the secrecy of everything involved. If the group was actively pinging then any submarine close to it would have been found, even if it were emitting zero decibels. Also, I wonder if submarines use an enhanced noise emission during peacetime (like stealth fighters use Luneberg lenses to enhance radar emissions) to mask their true acoustic signature.
 

Bltizo

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Minnie Chan thinks that the PLAN is hiding its true number of submarines by assigning multiple numbers of submarines with the same pennant number.

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No offense, but who cares with Minnie Chan thinks.
She needs to claw back some credibility first before her articles can be viewed without any kind of substantial caution and skepticism.

In this specific case, we have not had history of the PLA in general reassigning numbers for the purposes of bolstering perception of its fleet sizes before. If there is an renumbering going on (which I'm not sure if there is), then it's likely secondary to some kind of administrative change.
 

ougoah

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I can believe this for fighters since they are indeed impossible to properly track and catalogue if the intention to use the same serial number is repeated but it's impossible to do this for submarines. They take years to build and fit out while the whole time being visible to satellites.
 

by78

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The upper torpedo room of a 093 (note what appears to be a hatch in the ceiling). These tubes aren't reloadable while underway.

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