Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

TheWanderWit

TheWanderWit

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no_name said:
Maybe not F-25 but what about those two unmanned fighters we've seen during the parade with all-moving wingtips?
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That's possible, but the Type 076 is focused more on strike than air superiority. The conventional aircraft design that has been seen from a research paper that may be under development is likely to be the drone that can do air superiority missions off the Type 076 and also A2G
 
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Andy1974

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daifo said:
It could happen but the probability seems to be dropping to < 20% because of visual evidence like the lack of landing signaling board and catapult seems to be slightly slimmer. Also the skill for straight deck landing likely takes different level of training from diagonal deck landing so it won't a simple cross decking of pilots
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Even if you don’t agree about the regular role, the J-35 absolutely has to be able to land and take off in an emergency, therefore the hardware on board must support it and the pilots must have the skill.
 
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AndrewS

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Andy1974 said:
Even if you don’t agree about the regular role, the J-35 absolutely has to be able to land and take off in an emergency, therefore the hardware on board must support it and the pilots must have the skill.
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If the Type-076 is operating unmanned aircraft, then there must be an automated landing system already in place and that system has to be reliable.

You can see automated landings already on US Navy aircraft carriers.
 
lcloo

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Andy1974 said:
I’m sure it will host at least a couple of J-35 for each mission, for the simple reason that the marines need air superiority, I find it bizarre that this is a controversial take.
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When you talk about PLA Marine, forget everything about US Marine.

PLA Marine is part of PLA Navy and they have supports from PLANAF from aircraft carriers. And their missions are planned by PLA Navy and any missions would involved all relevant PLAN assets, including aircraft from carriers.

US Marine is NOT part of US Navy, and they have rivalry on prides and ego. US Marine may planned their missions independently from US Navy, and they would prefer their own F-35B rather than the Navy F-35C. Therefore they would rather have their F-35B on LHA to support their missions, which is actuall sub-optimal option considered the shorter range F-35B and limited facilities on LHA.

PLAN-Marine does not need this. Let type 076 and PLAN CV do what they do best.
 
GTI

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Andy1974 said:
I’m sure it will host at least a couple of J-35 for each mission, for the simple reason that the marines need air superiority, I find it bizarre that this is a controversial take.
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Anyone attempting to do an amphibious landing, where they are concerned about air superiority, are idiots.

You have / seize air superiority, you bomb the enemy round the clock, you remove mines and obstacles, then you conduct your amphibious operation. That’s how it works for non-idiots. Part of a larger system.

What the marines then need, and what 076 provides, is organic close-in (nearby) air support for striking ground targets, possibly helicopters and drones as well.
lcloo said:
When you talk about PLA Marine, forget everything about US Marine.

PLA Marine is part of PLA Navy and they have supports from PLANAF from aircraft carriers. And their missions are planned by PLA Navy and any missions would involved all relevant PLAN assets, including aircraft from carriers.

US Marine is NOT part of US Navy, and they have rivalry on prides and ego. US Marine may planned their missions independently from US Navy, and they would prefer their own F-35B rather than the Navy F-35C. Therefore they would rather have their F-35B on LHA to support their missions, which is actuall sub-optimal option considered the shorter range F-35B and limited facilities on LHA.

PLAN-Marine does not need this. Let type 076 and PLAN CV do what they do best.
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The USMC is part of the Department of the Navy and so is their budget. Marine Corps F/A-18s, F-35B/Cs (yes they operate CATOBAR jets off CVNs), A/V-8Bs, and helicopters all fly from US Navy ships. The marines all disembark from USN ships too (or aux fleet).
 
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KevinG

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GTI said:
Anyone attempting to do an amphibious landing, where they are concerned about air superiority, are idiots.

You have / seize air superiority, you bomb the enemy round the clock, you remove mines and obstacles, then you conduct your amphibious operation. That’s how it works for non-idiots. Part of a larger system.

What the marines then need, and what 076 provides, is organic close-in (nearby) air support for striking ground targets, possibly helicopters and drones as well.

The USMC is part of the Department of the Navy and so is their budget. Marine Corps F/A-18s, F-35B/Cs (yes they operate CATOBAR jets off CVNs), A/V-8Bs, and helicopters all fly from US Navy ships. The marines all disembark from USN ships too (or aux fleet).
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You are right and wrong, USMC is part of Department of the Navy, and so does US Navy. USMC is same level as the US Navy, US Air force, US Army and US Space force.Organization_of_U.S._Space_Force.svg.png
 
HailingTX20

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The 076 finally returning from its sea trial:

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