Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread


Gloire_bb

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So I think it's VERY possible for PLAN to catch up with the USN's building records during 1950-1989 in most surface combatant ships during 2005-2044 (except the carrier vessels, they are really too expensive and difficult to build, I don't think it possible for China to build another 12 vessels by 2044).
With 2 known carrier yards? Technically it's probably perfectly achievable, (i.e. starting producing them really fast).
Granted, right now PLAN isn't exactly in a position to start accepting and ordering them faster than they're doing it right now, but for different reasons.

If there is anything we haven't actually seen yet - it's the mass-production of SSNs.
 

weig2000

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With 2 known carrier yards? Technically it's probably perfectly achievable, (i.e. starting producing them really fast).
Granted, right now PLAN isn't exactly in a position to start accepting and ordering them faster than they're doing it right now, but for different reasons.

If there is anything we haven't actually seen yet - it's the mass-production of SSNs.

SSN is at a different development stage compared with major surface combatants. They're approximately at the corresponding stage of 051B/052/052B/052C and are not yet ready to go into mass production stage yet (corresponding to 052D). The barrier is obviously technology maturity. That's why we're continuing to see minor iterations of 093's. PLAN is not ready to commit to mass production of the next-gen SSN (095) as yet.

I expect 095 will be ready to launch around 2025, judging from some of the relatively more credible rumors and noises. That's why the building capacity comparison starts to make sense.
 

weig2000

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No, it's very possible. Whether or not there's the political will is another question.

A few years ago, I specifically made the point at SDF that, if necessary, China can build Liaoning class carriers simultaneously at four shipyards: JNCX, Dalian, HDZH, and Bohai. These shipyards have the facility, capacity and capability to build carriers. Of course, it makes no sense for China to do so. The point was merely to illustrate that China has the capacity and capability.

I was accused by one beloved member (Forbin) as fanboy for saying that. LOL.
 

PeoplesPoster

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I have no idea of the veracity of either of the claims you made as I couldn't care less about US historical shipbuilding capabilities. If I'm concerned with anything of America's, it's its present and future capacities. Furthermore, this is getting way off topic in a flagship (literally and figuratively) thread (nudge to @Bltizo).
Not my claims, just trying to bring clarity to a discussion where everyone is trying to talk over each other without actually listening.
 

james smith esq

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A few years ago, I specifically made the point at SDF that, if necessary, China can build Liaoning class carriers simultaneously at four shipyards: JNCX, Dalian, HDZH, and Bohai. These shipyards have the facility, capacity and capability to build carriers.
Would this statement be accurate regarding 003, or larger, size carriers, as well?
 

weig2000

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Would this statement be accurate regarding 003, or larger, size carriers, as well?

Wouldn't be accurate at the time I made the statement, but would be more or less accurate after China finishes the building of 003. Because, by then, it's just a matter of scaling, which China is best positioned to do.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Of course, it makes no sense for China to do so. The point was merely to illustrate that China has the capacity and capability.
Just as a remark, it's an interesting indicator of China's own estimation of both its current capabilities, needs, and international political landscape.

Because Liaoning class can indeed be produced right now at the necessary tempo - it's already a known quantity, it works, and they're already "producing" necessary personnel on the first two carriers.
Yes, they are in no way supercarriers - but they're carriers nevertheless.

003 has a long way to go ahead of it right now - and it's clearly viewed as acceptable.
 

weig2000

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Just as a remark, it's an interesting indicator of China's own estimation of both its current capabilities, needs, and international political landscape.

Because Liaoning class can indeed be produced right now at the necessary tempo - it's already a known quantity, it works, and they're already "producing" necessary personnel on the first two carriers.
Yes, they are in no way supercarriers - but they're carriers nevertheless.

003 has a long way to go ahead of it right now - and it's clearly viewed as acceptable.

003 does not take a long way to go ahead of it right now, not as long as what has taken Liaoning to get to the operational stage of now. To be sure, they need to learn the deck operations of a catapult carrier, but it is still an incremental change. Liaoning is strictly from 0 to 1 and bootstrapping. They had to learn/develop everything from scratch with no one to rely on; these include recruiting and training of new pilots, the facility, the training methodology, and everything off the ship as well as everything associated with operating a carrier and coordinating with escort ships.
 

Tam

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With 2 known carrier yards? Technically it's probably perfectly achievable, (i.e. starting producing them really fast).
Granted, right now PLAN isn't exactly in a position to start accepting and ordering them faster than they're doing it right now, but for different reasons.

If there is anything we haven't actually seen yet - it's the mass-production of SSNs.

They can mass produce SSNs. They are not completely happy with their designs to throw that much money at it at the moment. But when they are, these will come out like sausages.
 

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