Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread


Richard Santos

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Did someone forget their % sign? An F15 being 730% as effective as a Mig21 I can just about believe.

It is an indication the ratio of the scores used to evaluate individual effectiveness of two platform does not translate to how many of one platform it takes to equal the other in combat.

In the example I cited, The algorithm did really give the F-15 an effectiveness score 730 times higher than the MiG 21. Yet the only thing that really says is an single F-15 is much more effective than a single MiG-21. It does not mean a single F-15 from 1975 can realistically hope to prevail in a simultaneous engagement with even 3 competently flown MiG-21, much less 7.3 or 730.
 

davidau

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It is an indication the ratio of the scores used to evaluate individual effectiveness of two platform does not translate to how many of one platform it takes to equal the other in combat.

In the example I cited, The algorithm did really give the F-15 an effectiveness score 730 times higher than the MiG 21. Yet the only thing that really says is an single F-15 is much more effective than a single MiG-21. It does not mean a single F-15 from 1975 can realistically hope to prevail in a simultaneous engagement with even 3 competently flown MiG-21, much less 7.3 or 730.
Hey guys, are we talking type 055, or F15 v Mig 21, in this forum!!
 

by78

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DDG 105 from space, courtesy of Google Earth.

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MalcolmRenolds

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This is a known highly speculated rumour and this topic is hot around the Chinese communities around the world. I have always been admiring 'big' warships since I was a little kid. Always thought of joining the Singapore Navy but the injury substained during my 2 year National Service ruptured this dream. However that doesnt stop me from being a fan of any warships around the world, especially PLAN's warship, afterall I am a local born Chinese but my granddad's from China.

The soon-to-be-serviced (2014) Type 052D will be the main backbone of PLAN for many years to come. Although it is the largest DDG in PLAN inventory, it still cant match the USN's Aleigh-Burke class DDGs and Ticonderoga class CRs. However, the presence of Type 052D class will present a headache to the (surrounding countries navies) USN's presence to make them think twice.

The Type 055 DDG is thought to be PLAN's next generation destroyer. It is a warship with some very serious firepower to reckon with. The hulls used in the class of Type 052Bs, Type 52Cs are matured hull technology and the new Type 055's hull will be based on the former two classes hull, although it is thought to be certainly larger than those two classes. This all new class of DDG will most likely to feature a more stealthly hull and is speculated to be
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Prospective specs from the communities highly spectulates the design specifications as belows:

Tonnage: 12,000 tons fully loaded
Length: 183m
Beam: 22m
Propulsion: Conventional but most probably could be nucleared
Speed: 35 knots

Sensors and processing systems:

New generation of multi-module active phased array radar with a range of 600 km able to monitor and control several hundred targets and automatically distribute targets to various combat units (including the destroyer itself and other combat units). A joint combat data distribution transmission system similar to the Link-16 of US Navy.

Armament:

There will be four level of missile interception.

It will be armed with:

  • One 155 mm gun that will later be replaced by an electromagnetic or laser gun.
  • Two 64VLS for surface to air missiles, cruise missiles, anti submarine missiles and anti ship missiles.
  • Each vertical launch tube of the 64VLS is 16 meters long and can be installed with one to eight missiles. The total number of missiles installed will be 128.
  • The surface to air missiles will be HongQi-10.
  • The anti ship missiles will be better than YJ-83 and YJ-62.
  • WHH004 launch device for new anti-submarine and anti-warship torpedoes.
  • Type 1130 11-barrel CIWS with the rate of fire exceeding 10,000 rounds per minute.
  • There will be two new-type anti-submarine helicopters on the destroyer.

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This is a known highly speculated rumour and this topic is hot around the Chinese communities around the world. I have always been admiring 'big' warships since I was a little kid. Always thought of joining the Singapore Navy but the injury substained during my 2 year National Service ruptured this dream. However that doesnt stop me from being a fan of any warships around the world, especially PLAN's warship, afterall I am a local born Chinese but my granddad's from China.

The soon-to-be-serviced (2014) Type 052D will be the main backbone of PLAN for many years to come. Although it is the largest DDG in PLAN inventory, it still cant match the USN's Aleigh-Burke class DDGs and Ticonderoga class CRs. However, the presence of Type 052D class will present a headache to the (surrounding countries navies) USN's presence to make them think twice.

The Type 055 DDG is thought to be PLAN's next generation destroyer. It is a warship with some very serious firepower to reckon with. The hulls used in the class of Type 052Bs, Type 52Cs are matured hull technology and the new Type 055's hull will be based on the former two classes hull, although it is thought to be certainly larger than those two classes. This all new class of DDG will most likely to feature a more stealthly hull and is speculated to be
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Prospective specs from the communities highly spectulates the design specifications as belows:

Tonnage: 12,000 tons fully loaded
Length: 183m
Beam: 22m
Propulsion: Conventional but most probably could be nucleared
Speed: 35 knots

Sensors and processing systems:

New generation of multi-module active phased array radar with a range of 600 km able to monitor and control several hundred targets and automatically distribute targets to various combat units (including the destroyer itself and other combat units). A joint combat data distribution transmission system similar to the Link-16 of US Navy.

Armament:

There will be four level of missile interception.

It will be armed with:

  • One 155 mm gun that will later be replaced by an electromagnetic or laser gun.
  • Two 64VLS for surface to air missiles, cruise missiles, anti submarine missiles and anti ship missiles.
  • Each vertical launch tube of the 64VLS is 16 meters long and can be installed with one to eight missiles. The total number of missiles installed will be 128.
  • The surface to air missiles will be HongQi-10.
  • The anti ship missiles will be better than YJ-83 and YJ-62.
  • WHH004 launch device for new anti-submarine and anti-warship torpedoes.
  • Type 1130 11-barrel CIWS with the rate of fire exceeding 10,000 rounds per minute.
  • There will be two new-type anti-submarine helicopters on the destroyer.

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Dude how did you even know? For a 2013 prediction this is most precise.
 

Bltizo

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Dude how did you even know? For a 2013 prediction this is most precise.

The prediction in that particular post at the time, derived from some rumours at the time, gave us the designation of the 055 returning it to mainstream understanding, and gave some plausible dimensions.

But many of the rest of the details ultimately did not come to pass, and even at the time, many of those predictions seemed a bit out there.
E.g.:
- 055 uses a 130mm gun of the same family as 052D, rather than 155mm
- 055 was conventionally powered, not nuclear powered, and we never had any indication that nuclear propulsion was considered for it before
- 055 didn't use YJ-83 or YJ-62, because it was using the new UVLS anyway
- there is no 16m (!!!) VLS...
- VLS count for 055 was 112 not 128 (though this one is somewhat more forgiveable)



What was apparent circa 2013-2014, was that a new larger surface combatant was in the works, with the name of 055, a displacement of about 12,000 tons.

Other things, like predictions about having better signature reduction, heavier armament, its gun fit, its sensors, its helicopter complement etc, should've all been common sense deductions at the time based on what we knew 052D had back then.
 

GTI

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As of today, how many in water and how many with confirmed pictures of being under construction?
First batch of 8 are all floating.

There are/will be more ordered, but as to the current progress on the next batch, or if there will be any modifications like IEPS (in the immediate next batch), or 055B etc. - I’m have no idea
 

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