Thank you very much for the input.
And this very much sums up the 'higher ups' of the PLAN. You can draw your own conclusions from this.
Sorry for the off-topic - but it speaks volumes.
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And this very much sums up the 'higher ups' of the PLAN. You can draw your own conclusions from this.
Sorry for the off-topic - but it speaks volumes.
what you said is basically Taiwan's propaganda, and a very old one. it's still popular among some kmt supporters
the reason of why this is not true is because this concept is based on the logic kmt is still think Chinese civil way is only between CCP and kmt, and more importantly they still have the legal right to claim the mainland.
based on this acknowledgement, CCP is illegal controlling China at the moment, that's why pla is still remain a party military not a national army.
this unfortunately is not true, as the fact today, ccp and Chinese government are essentially one and united, almost all the major roles, from the top to bottum, are taken by the CCP members. also since they don't need to elect, thus there is no need seperate things like PLA from the nation Army. and most importantly attacking CCP is almost equal to attack China in most of time.
i believe what I said is plain and simple, and acknowledged by most people here, but still certain member like you like to spread this propaganda instead of discussing in an unbiased manner, that's I will call it off topic.
What you said is simple-minded and just plain wrong. You can even have both a national army coexisting with a political-party controlled army fighting at the same time and all controlled by the same set of people on top. PLA is CPC's party army is a statement of fact. Xi's highlighted statement below does matter. Your ignorance does not matter. "Acknowledged by most people here" is just cheap and shows your own insecurities. Please enlighten us when did Xi become a KMT stooge?
Here is a bit of history.
"It is customary for a nation to have an army but extremely rare for a political party to have one. China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is an exception, as it owes allegiance to the Communist Party of China (CPC).
This exclusive arrangement was formalised in December 1929 during the Ninth Meeting of the CPC at Gutian in Fujian province where Mao Zedong, while addressing the men of the Fourth Army, clarified the role of the military: it was “to chiefly serve the political ends”, Mao said.
Here on, absolute control of the Communist Party over the army became entrenched. Interestingly, 85 years later, on December 30, 2014. President Xi Jinping during his address to ‘Military Political Work Conference’ at Gutian, reiterated that the “PLA remains the Party’s army, and must maintain absolute loyalty to political masters”.
The CPC has close to 100 million members. When you consider that these people also have relatives, it means the CPC has a direct bond to around 500 million people. At this point, the CPC and modern Chinese state can not be distinguishable so it is practically unimportant if the PLA has its allegiance to the party or the state because both are the same thing.
You miss the point. This has nothing to do with legitimacy or popularity. It is about defining chain-of-command. When you have a dual track (State and Party) and headed by two different people, who overrides whom? In the PLA, the political officer is the more senior. In China, 'State' is subordinate to 'Party' but operationally they are two different entities.
Years ago, Jiang Zemin did not relinquish his CMC title to Hu Jitao. Hu was already the President of China but the military was still controlled by Jiang. Do you think Hu thought this was 'practically unimportant'?
Can we get back to the topic of Type 055 missile Crusier! What has it got to do with China's former Prsidents!
what you refered here has nothing to do with what I stated, the fact CCP command the pla does not make it any less a national army than the rest of the world.
the army is loarty to the nation, that's to the governor party, since CCP is the chinese govence party, that's why CCP is commanding it. it makes no difference at all
the fact is the Chinese military always ran in duel system, there is a state military commity and a party one, and both ran by the exact same people, so yes, the party is commanding, but the nation is also command ing it
also state is not under party, the fact political official always senior is because it's political official, it has nothing to do with party. the fact is that political officer often don't command the army, they just help to build up the troop
I never had the impression that the ship was fat. Pointy perhaps, but not fat.
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