Type 055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread


by78

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But it is not 105?

It could be 105. This image was first shared on December 22, 2020, and was likely taken even earlier. The first image of 105 emerged around December 28, 2020. Its possible the pennant number was painted sometime in between. Or maybe it's a different unit althogether. TBH, I've lost track of the units long time ago due to heightened security and the large number of 055s being built.
 
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Tam

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Before or after 105 Dalian commissioning? If before, it can be a picture of 105 before she getting her pennant number. If after then we have a second 055 in the area. Any time stamp on the image?
 

feilinreg

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With the way 055s pennants numbers are going, it makes it inherently difficult to track 055s potential fleet basing. Before, I realized that 101-129 numbers belong to North Sea Fleet, 130-159 to the ESF, and 160-199 to SSF. But now it's hard to tell with Type-055 #105 going to SSF.

Maybe the basing for 105-108 to the SSF are temporary, like PLAN just wants 4 055s for each 1 carrier. And since CV-17 might be going to SSF, they wanted 4 055s with her. Just like 4 055s with CV-16 in the NSF, for which their pennants (101-104) makes sense.

It's quite possible to attach current 055s numbers to carriers; essentially 4 055s for each carrier. And with the rumored 8 more being ordered (4 for Type-003/CV-18 and 4 more for the next Type-003/CV-19).

It's possible once those 8 055s and more are built, they will be a re-shuffle of ships with 105-108 joining the NSF and maybe the new ones taking appropriate pennant #s. I always had assumed new Destroyer squadrons would be created with 055s and 052Es filling 14x, 18x, and 19x pennant #s. And maybe PLAN creating another Destroyer squadrons with just 101-109/110 filled with 055s. destroyers.

This is all just pure speculation on my part.
Currently, the PLAN has 6 destroyer squadrons, from north to south,
12X is assigned to 10th squadron,
13X to 3rd squadron,
15X to 6th,
16X to 2nd,
17X to 9th.
But this rule only works for destroyer, for large destroyer, all these squadron will share same pennant numbers, 10X, 18X, and 19X.
For next batch of large destroyer, 055s, I assume they will start from 180.
Here 1st destroyer squadron is different because I guess it won’t get any new destroyers but large destroyers in short time. So the 11X is occupied by 1st and 10th now, but will be empty after all these destroyers retired.
With current speed, the number of destroyer will over 100 soon, then they will have new number, maybe 2XX
 

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I am not sure how much trust we should have in the following source, but if true interesting.

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"CSIC (China State Shipbuilding Corporation Limited) ’s 701 Institution yesterday published an article entitled “A Love Letter to 10,000-ton One”, revealing information about Type 055 guided missile destroyer, including that it is using some homemade propulsion technology, which is new and unique in the world, indicating that China’s surface ship propulsion system has reached the international advanced level. This propulsion technology is not described in detail in the article, but it was presumed in August 2019 that medium-voltage DC electro-pushing system will be used for the second batch of Type 055 destroyers."
 

by78

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Three older images to mark the one-year anniversary of 101 entering service.



 

Tam

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Currently, the PLAN has 6 destroyer squadrons, from north to south,
12X is assigned to 10th squadron,
13X to 3rd squadron,
15X to 6th,
16X to 2nd,
17X to 9th.
But this rule only works for destroyer, for large destroyer, all these squadron will share same pennant numbers, 10X, 18X, and 19X.
For next batch of large destroyer, 055s, I assume they will start from 180.
Here 1st destroyer squadron is different because I guess it won’t get any new destroyers but large destroyers in short time. So the 11X is occupied by 1st and 10th now, but will be empty after all these destroyers retired.
With current speed, the number of destroyer will over 100 soon, then they will have new number, maybe 2XX

I was thinking about this, and this system is one of legacy that stems back when the PLAN consists of Luda class destroyers, with originally three fleets and three destroyer groups --- 1st in the North, 2nd in the South and 3rd in the East.

The regional digit in the pennant system is not followed by any other pennant classification, except with frigates at the start, where they start with three numberings --- 52X, 54X and 57X. But the number of frigates grew, which is 053 + 054 + 056, they outgrew this system and now the pennant numbering is all over the place with no sign of regionality.

For example, the 9th Destroyer Division has these numbers for their 054A: 572, 573, 574, and 575. But their last is 500.

Nearby the 2nd Destroyer Division has these 054A numbers: 568, 569, 570, 571, but their newest frigate is 536.

3rd Destroyer Division has these 054A numbers: 529, 530, 531, 532. The last and latest 054A to join them is however, 601.

So at first, there is an order with the frigate pennants, then at some point, they decided that this order was abandoned or deemed impractical to be sustained.

The 10th Destroyer Division for example, has these frigate pennants: 576, 579, 539, 598, and 542. You won't know it but 542 is the last and latest of the 30 054A that has been built so far.

For now, I think 12X, 13X, 15X, 16X and 17X have reserved pennants for future and potential 052X, but new types of destroyers after 052X (052D/E), like 055 and successive 055X will have pennants that are all over the place like the frigates as the PLAN decides to dust this region pennant system as they did with the frigates. They will likely use up the pennants up to 114, with 112 and 113 retired in the near future, and possibly 115 and 116 if these are retired. The whole range of 14X, 18X and 19X are also open, along with the 20X range. As you go farther and farther into the future, even as the 052X themselves are retired, successive destroyer types past the 055 will start reusing these numbers but will no longer follow any semblance of regionality.
 
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Kich

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I was thinking about this, and this system is one of legacy that stems back when the PLAN consists of Luda class destroyers, with originally three fleets and three destroyer groups --- 1st in the North, 2nd in the South and 3rd in the East.

The regional digit in the pennant system is not followed by any other pennant classification, except with frigates at the start, where they start with three numberings --- 52X, 54X and 57X. But the number of frigates grew, which is 053 + 054 + 056, they outgrew this system and now the pennant numbering is all over the place with no sign of regionality.

The 9th Destroyer Division has these numbers for their 054A: 572, 573, 574, and 575. But their last is 500.

Nearby the 2nd Destroyer Division has these 054A numbers: 568, 569, 570, 571, but their newest frigate is 536.

3rd Destroyer Division has these 054A numbers: 529, 530, 531, 532. The last and latest 054A to join them is however, 601.

A good example of frigate pennants going nuts is the 9th Destroyer Division. Their 054A is numbered 572, 573, 574 and 575. So far so good. But the last is 500.

So at first, there is an order with the frigate pennants, then at some point, they decided that this order was abandoned or deemed impractical to be sustained.

The 10th Destroyer Division for example, has these frigate pennants: 576, 579, 539, 598, and 542. You won't know it but 542 is the last and latest of the 30 054A that has been built so far.

For now, I think 12X, 13X, 15X, 16X and 17X have reserved pennants for future and potential 052X, but new types of destroyers after 052X (052D/E), like 055 and successive 055X will have pennants that are all over the place like the frigates as the PLAN decides to dust this region pennant system as they did with the frigates. They will likely use up the pennants up to 114, with 112 and 113 retired in the near future, and possibly 115 and 116 if these are retired. The whole range of 14X, 18X and 19X are also open, along with the 20X range. As you go farther and farther into the future, even as the 052X themselves are retired, successive destroyer types past the 055 will start reusing these numbers but will no longer follow any semblance of regionality.
Is it possible they might re-paint/re-number some of their ships in the future to create some sort of order in their pennants systems?
 

Tam

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Is it possible they might re-paint/re-number some of their ships in the future to create some sort of order in their pennants systems?

No. I have never seen a pennant change in any PLAN surface ship. They carry the same pennant to the end of their days or transfer to another service. If an old ship still carries that number, new ships will use a different number until that old ship is retired and only then the pennant number is allowed to be reused again. Only pennant changes is when the ships are given to another country or switched to the Chinese coast guard.
 

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