055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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AndrewS

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But the issue is that the data rate for long wavelengths communications is low, plus it is a radiating signal that can be detected.

You're better off flying the helicopter or drone at altitude, and getting a direct line of sight comms link to get the same range and stronger signal. Plus the helicopters are mobile, so it conceals the exact location of the ship.
 

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But the issue is that the data rate for long wavelengths communications is low, plus it is a radiating signal that can be detected.

You're better off flying the helicopter or drone at altitude, and getting a direct line of sight comms link to get the same range and stronger signal. Plus the helicopters are mobile, so it conceals the exact location of the ship.

Its not the only communication protocol being supported in the ship. Don't assume the ship only uses one protocol. These long wave antenna is probably for chit-chat with the HQ back in the mainland.

There should be one, possibly two higher speed data protocols, on the top mast of the ship, possibly for ship to ship and ship to plane. One of these is likely to be related to what I answered to Tetrach in the Ask Anything Thread. In addition there are two satellite link protocols, one in the X-band and another in the K-band.
 
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You guys looked at it too carefully... I was looking for a pic of the prinz Eugen but there was a better one for the Blucher... I think as far as naval strengths go China to US is similar to where Germany was to the UK (UK had a much larger navy at the time with multiple fleets around the world). China also faces a very similar geographical challenge similar to Germany which is why I think even if China caught up to the US in warship numbers and tech it would still be at a severe disadvantage if it doesn't take back Taiwan

we learn the lessons from the kreigsmarine so we dont face the same fate as their ships

and as far as political comparisons, unfortunately our only major examples to study from are nazi germany or imperial japan...
 
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AndrewS

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Its not the only communication protocol being supported in the ship. Don't assume the ship only uses one protocol. These long wave antenna is probably for chit-chat with the HQ back in the mainland.

There should be one, possibly two higher speed data protocols, on the top mast of the ship, possibly for ship to ship and ship to plane. One of these is likely to be related to what I answered to Tetrach in the Ask Anything Thread. In addition there are two satellite link protocols, one in the X-band and another in the K-band.

I considered that already.

You're looking at a range of say 500km? for a surface wave.

At 500km from mainland China - you would expect Chinese ships to still be covered by land-based AWACs - if they needed comms back to mainland China.

But the key thing is that you only need 1 antenna to support communications requirements.
So the other antenna would be for ESM or to detect Surface Wave Radar returns.
 

AndrewS

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You guys looked at it too carefully... I was looking for a pic of the prinz Eugen but there was a better one for the Blucher... I think as far as naval strengths go China to US is similar to where Germany was to the UK (UK had a much larger navy at the time with multiple fleets around the world). China also faces a very similar geographical challenge similar to Germany which is why I think even if China caught up to the US in warship numbers and tech it would still be at a severe disadvantage if it doesn't take back Taiwan

we learn the lessons from the kreigsmarine so we dont face the same fate as their ships

and as far as political comparisons, unfortunately our only major examples to study from are nazi germany or imperial japan...

Yes, the biggest lesson for the Chinese Navy is not to start an arms race that you will lose.

Imperial Germany had the deluded notion that it could outbuild the British Navy.
The UK and Imperial Germany had a comparable population and GDP back in 1910, and that wasn't going to change much.

And then Imperial Germany had to somehow build an Army to match Russia and France. That combination had a population and GDP larger than Imperial Germany.

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Geographically, the growth of the Imperial German Navy directly impacted the security of the British Isles.
Today in comparison, the US homeland is safe as the Chinese Navy can't reach across the Pacific.

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Taiwan is too close to China to be an effective base of operations against China.
How can it when the Chinese Air Force has air superiority over the skies of Taiwan?

So it's possible for the Chinese Navy to bypass Taiwan to the South or the North.
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Also remember that prior to 1914, the US also had a small Navy in comparison with the UK.

So going forward, I think it is the UK-US analogy which is more relevant.
The US simply sought to match the British Navy, and could extract concessions in its own sphere of influence, whilst the British Navy had global commitments.
And the US had a much larger economy, so it could always use the *threat* of an arms race if it didn't get what it wanted.





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